Originally posted by Bentley
Eating the story was pretty much what Galactus was doing in the Celestial arc. Nobody would say Galactus is the biggest thread of the Marvel Universe. 😐
And? First of all Mandrakk wasn't eating story he was extinguishing it, it is the Monitors that feed on story.
I don't see how remaking the omniverse beats consuming the story the omniverse is projected through.
Originally posted by Philosophía
F*cking lulz at Mandrakk being compared to She-Hulk.crylaugh
Anyhow, by this point I couldn't give a sh*t about how powerfull some people consider Mandrakk, especially since I doubt many people actually comprehended the story fully, and I'm not really interested in debating high-level concepts such as Mandrakk/Superman w/cosmic Armour against typical 'I'm so powafull!!! I'm liek 2 seconds away from warping teh Omniverse!!!' type of characters.
I can't believe Mr. Master could even compare She-Hulk who has limited fourth wall influence to a guy who was going to extinguish the entire story of the DCU.
Originally posted by Astner
If you think Superman Beyond was deep then you should check out some novels.Really, in the end there was simply a story fighting another story. Basically a story within a story.
Beyond was certainly promoting deeper concepts than the average mainstream comic. Give props where props is due. Mandrakk was not your run of the mill big bad that rewrites reality like the Anti-Monitor or MJJ.
Mandrakk operated on thought and story, with the idea behind the Monitors being that they were immeasurably larger than the DC omniverse but split into lesser beings when they became infected with story.
The cosmic armor was a device based on thought and a representation of ultimate heroism, giving it the capacity to adapt instantly to any threat.
Mandrakk created it using the ultimate story of heroism, and it was designed especially for Supes since it is his story Mandrakk used as inspiration for the idea of the armor.
Originally posted by Allankles
Beyond was certainly promoting deeper concepts than the average mainstream comic. Give props where props is due. Mandrakk was not your run of the mill big bad that rewrites reality like the Anti-Monitor or MJJ.Mandrakk operated on thought and story, with the idea behind the Monitors being that they were immeasurably larger than the DC omniverse but split into lesser beings when they became infected with story.
The cosmic armor was a device based on thought and a representation of ultimate heroism, giving it the capacity to adapt instantly to any threat.
Mandrakk created it using the ultimate story of heroism, and it was designed especially for Supes since it is his story Mandrakk used as inspiration for the idea of the armor.
Exactly. It's silly to think that ONLY Superman was in that armor.
Originally posted by Mr Master
First, that list is wrong,
secondly, it's outdated,
and third, many realizations have taken place since 06' ...So then MJJ = Madrakk, cause that's exactly what MJJ was.
There's absolutely no canon reason in existence
why anyone should believe that LT & Spectre are equals or otherwise.They have absolutely no affiliation,
as they are concepts from separate omniverses/companies.The Fury is very high in the hierarchy of individual fighting power.
As for Fury beaten the LT?
No, then again, who knows, lol.
Because the Fury is that badass.
The Fury's character set power is to adapt instantly,
and continuously become a greater fighting/killing machine,
it was created by a God, to be practically indestructible, (withstood the CN & Jaspers)
and with the ability to adapt to any situation it confronts,
and of course, instantly manifest not only a defensive maneuver,
but an offensive as well.That's not true friend,
that's Fury's ability ... to adapt instantly.
To the List, IIRC you made it, so I trust you about it being not up to date, I look forward to your new List 🙂.
When MJJ was the greatest threat to the Marvel-verse, why didn't LT interfer? Just curious. And was he THE Greatest threat ever?
Spectre, LT. Well Spectre is the biggest player out there, like LT he is the direct Representant of the highest power, being DC God (not Vertigo ^^) and TOAA. Spectre has his own comic so he has more low feats, which is natural in stories, LT has some low showings as well, the protege kid, which is PIS but who cares, their best feats speak for them. So that's why I see them as equals.
DC vs Marvel wasn't official but one has to admit that Marvel and DC still wrote it and decided who the two major players should be, both choosed their most powerful.
The Fury is very high, but he isn't the top dog, right?
As to Furys ability to adapt instantly
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/7675/mjj40fq2.jpg
A month ago the transformation would have killed it, but it learns, it adapts.
So it isn't always instant. Also fury was weakened, low on juice after his MJJ fight right? Why didn't he adapted to simply have an infinite powersource?
Both companies treat their Universes different, so I trust DC when they tell us that Mandrakk is the biggest threat ever, to be the biggest threat ever. It's on panel, with radiant and spectre defeated by Mandrakk, that's the only reason i give him the credit.
Of course it's also on panel that MJJ was an threat to the omniverse, but not the biggest 🙂, and i did not see LT there nor anyone else. IMHO Thanos with the HOTU was the biggest Marvel threat ever.
🙂
BTW I don't want to say that MJJ or the Fury are weak, on the contrary, but I have some troubles to see them on LTs level. But then again I don't know as much about comics as most of the Members here 😮
Originally posted by AllanklesI can't believe Mr. Master could even compare She-Hulk who has limited fourth wall influence to a guy who was going to extinguish the entire story of the DCU.
She-Hulk would threaten Byrne into coming into the real world and kicking his ass,
Byrne was then forced to do her bidding.
Now, you say Mandrakk is extinguishing story, nice,
but who do you think is writing Mandrakk into doing that?
The writer of course.
And what was She-Hulk able to do?
Manipulate the Writers into doing what she wants.
... need one say more? ...
I can't believe I was coerced into debating 4th Wall logic. 🙁
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeTo the List, IIRC you made it,
so I trust you about it being not up to date,
I look forward to your new List 🙂.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeWhen MJJ was the greatest threat to the Marvel-verse,
why didn't LT interfer?
Just curious.
And was he THE Greatest threat ever?
MJJ is the only character in the official Marvel bios
that's considered an eternal threat to the prime Marvel Multiverse.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeSpectre, LT. Well Spectre is the biggest player out there, like LT he is the direct Representant of the highest power, being DC God (not Vertigo ^^) and TOAA. Spectre has his own comic so he has more low feats, which is natural in stories, LT has some low showings as well, the protege kid, which is PIS but who cares, their best feats speak for them. So that's why I see them as equals.
DC vs Marvel wasn't official but one has to admit that Marvel and DC still wrote it and decided who the two major players should be, both choosed their most powerful.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeThe Fury is very high, but he isn't the top dog, right?
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeAs to Furys ability to adapt instantly
http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/7675/mjj40fq2.jpg
A month ago the transformation would have killed it, but it learns, it adapts.
So it isn't always instant.
I think you're taking that scan out of context.
What Moore is referring to there is that Fury was weaker a month ago,
but after absorbing a CPU that took up the inner size of a mountain,
the Fury became far more powerful.
So it's durability increased dramatically,
enough to withstand that MJJ warp.
Again, the Fury's ability to adapt was instant, that's it's character set power.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeAlso fury was weakened,
low on juice after his MJJ fight right?
Why didn't he adapted to simply have an infinite powersource?
MJJ warped the entire freaking 616 Universe. (core of the omniverse)
MJJ was more powerful than Merlyn (omniversal power)
MJJ's warp would've re-arranged the omniverse. (so it was infinite)
... and yet, Fury defeated that.
You don't expect the Fury to have felt the effects of this incredible battle?
The Fury wasn't God you know, MJJ was.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeBoth companies treat their Universes different, so I trust DC when they tell us that Mandrakk is the biggest threat ever, to be the biggest threat ever. It's on panel, with radiant and spectre defeated by Mandrakk, that's the only reason i give him the credit.
Of course it's also on panel that MJJ was an threat to the omniverse, but not the biggest, and i did not see LT there nor anyone else. IMHO Thanos with the HOTU was the biggest Marvel threat ever.
Matrix/Merlyn's power was absolute across the Omniverse,
until Jaspers manifested.
LT was/is the judge of the Omniverse,
matrix/Merlyn was the guardian of the Omniverse.
Roma was no where near matrix/Merlyn,
but since she was left with Otherworld (an entire Universe created by Melryn)
and with the Starlight Citidel (an omniversal nexus created by Merlyn)
and with the CN (created by Merlyn)
she had power & influence over all reality, so she became the successor to Merlyn.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeBTW I don't want to say that MJJ or the Fury are weak, on the contrary, but I have some troubles to see them on LTs level. But then again I don't know as much about comics as most of the Members here
I mean even after his resurrection,
he was still again going to crack the Omniverse into his image,
and yet again, luckily, the Fury was there to some how stop him.
Originally posted by Mr MasterI can't believe I was coerced into debating 4th Wall logic. 🙁
Well She-Hulk is entirely irrelevant since her 4th wall powers don't even begin to approach Mandrakk's. She-Hulk is a fictional character as well and is written in whatever way the writer wishes.
Your comment about her controlling the universe was highly inaccurate since Bryne is the true authority not She-Hulk. Plus Mandrakk was affecting story in the whole multiverse not just a single story.
Originally posted by Allankles
And? First of all Mandrakk wasn't eating story he was extinguishing it, it is the Monitors that feed on story.I don't see how remaking the omniverse beats consuming the story the omniverse is projected through.
There is no practical difference, as we know that Mandrakk wasn't consuming the actual story, just the multiverse which is the expression of the story. As a matter of fact, there is no difference between the omniverse and the story. Galactus was eating time itself, which includes everything past and future of the universe, and Mandrakk is saying he is eating the story. But for practical proposes omniverse=story, Mandrakk and the monitors may use other names for the same thing, but it is what it is.
Originally posted by Bentley
Are you questioning that a story is the whole content of the piece in which it's made? What's exactly the contradiction.
The people in the story are not aware that they are an part of the story or the story itself. Unlike She-Hulk, where the story and her knowledge about it had no real infulence to the continuity of the Marvelverse, this particular DC story was not only about the story itself but also about the very concept of the stories.
And if we are honest, the story of Superman, his story of heroism, is indeed the story which gave birth to all other comic stories 🙂
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The people in the story are not aware that they are an part of the story or the story itself. Unlike She-Hulk, where the story and her knowledge about it had no real infulence to the continuity of the Marvelverse, this particular DC story was not only about the story itself but also about the very concept of the stories.And if we are honest, the story of Superman, his story of heroism, is indeed the story which gave birth to all other comic stories 🙂
It changes nothing, a story about stories and the concept of stories is still the same, its formed with the same words/images/ideas. Eat that and you still eat the story.
The story of Superman came from Hercules, maybe his story giving birth to other stories is only canon for DC 😉
Originally posted by Bentley
It changes nothing, a story about stories and the concept of stories is still the same, its formed with the same words/images/ideas. Eat that and you still eat the story.The story of Superman came from Hercules, maybe his story giving birth to other stories is only canon for DC 😉
I don't think it's the same, honestly, and it wasn't formed with the same words, ideas and images. Other writers, different artwork (also 3d) and even other images. If it's the same in your eyes, well you are welcome, I guess it's more of an opinion how one interpretes something. I can't say you are wrong, neither can i that you are right 🙂
AS Supermans Story came from Hercules 😉
Hercules is also more of an ripoff, Gilamesh came before 😉
Anyway, Superman has not defined the idea of heroism, neither did Herakles, but Superman defined and gave birth to the whole idea of Superheroes ^^.
I don't think it's
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I don't think it's the same, honestly, and it wasn't formed with the same words, ideas and images. Other writers, different artwork (also 3d) and even other images. If it's the same in your eyes, well you are welcome, I guess it's more of an opinion how one interpretes something. I can't say you are wrong, neither can i that you are right 🙂AS Supermans Story came from Hercules 😉
Hercules is also more of an ripoff, Gilamesh came before 😉
Anyway, Superman has not defined the idea of heroism, neither did Herakles, but Superman defined and gave birth to the whole idea of Superheroes ^^.
I don't think it's
Doc Savage existed before Superman set canons 😉
You think that a story with different words, images and ideas is the same story? It doesn't matter as the Omniverse would still contain those stories, and even further, it would contain the stories never written until now and those who haven't been conceived as of yet.
And Galactus was eating the Omniverse, hence Mandrakk has nothing on that.
