Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
Im not trying to treat it as canon but it will eventually become canonand I agree with your second point but i'm almost positive that the whole idea behind the rule of two is that the sith become stronger and stronger.
Stronger and stronger through secrecy, deception, and keeping the dark side between two individuals, instead of many. In the sense that each sith becomes stronger than his master? Speculation at best, and there's nothing that would suggest it. If this were the case, then Sidious is miles and miles above Bane. Bane did state that Zannah had the POTENTIAL to surpass him, but that's all.
Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
revan and malak weren't under the same rule of two as banes order.
O rly?
Where do you think Bane got the idea from? Does 'Revan's holocron' ring a bell?
And yeah, you'll do so after the book is released. For now, don't claim something will 'eventually become canon', because, even though it is a probability, we can't treat it as canon until we know more.
Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
O rly?Where do you think Bane got the idea from? Does 'Revan's holocron' ring a bell?
And yeah, you'll do so after the book is released. For now, don't claim something will 'eventually become canon', because, even though it is a probability, we can't treat it as canon until we know more.
I understand where bane got the IDEA from but the rule of two in Banes order is different as you will find Revans rule was one master one apprentice and a legion of sith troopers both force using sith spprentices and sith affiliation troops.
the idea behind Banes rule of two is one master one apprentice where the apprentice learns everything from their master then kills them and the cycle repeats itself.
Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Stronger and stronger through secrecy, deception, and keeping the dark side between two individuals, instead of many. In the sense that each sith becomes stronger than his master? Speculation at best, and there's nothing that would suggest it. If this were the case, then Sidious is miles and miles above Bane. Bane did state that Zannah had the POTENTIAL to surpass him, but that's all.
yes speculation but I do think there are sources that suggest it or at least imply it when i have more time i could look them up( I mean why else instate a rule of two unless you're trying to build up the sith? and the way you do that is by making your apprentice stronger?)
and I do believe that Sidious is Miles above Bane.
and for the record I think this entire debate is pointless i mean i could see why you guys would be all pissed off if I was trying to argue that zannah was more powerful than bane in a vs thread or something but I thought this thread was about talking about what we think will happen and if im wrong and she doesn't become more powerful than bane(which I'm 99% sure she will) then guess what I'm wrong and it's not a big deal.
Before Bane any Sith with enough power or knowledge could claim lordship. After Bane this knowledge and power was spread only between 2 Sith.
That's why the Kotor era is ripe for story telling. In the games alone the Sith cults like Traya's on Malachor were running parallel to Malak's order.
And almost immediately after Malak's war machine was toppled the Sith triumvate were the strongest cult of Sith. In this era knowledge was not monopolized as there were many libraries of Sith knowledge spread out in the galaxy.
Hell, Atris was able to gather her own collection during the JCW from temples all over the galaxy, both Jedi and Sith.
Atris was a mad Jedi Master Allankles. Revan created the rule of two from the ancients. Through Revan's holocron Bane perfected the rule of two. Remember what Traya said - "Sith is a Belief." After Sidious was killed, the Sith ceased to exist right? Nope. Jacen revived it and became Caedus after Lumiya twisted him to serve her own purpose.
I agree with you that the Sith is a cult, but Revan and Bane knew that in order for the Sith to remain strong, there must only be two. Sure use other darkside users, but they are little more than soldiers used for cannon fodder. Nobody can wage war without troops and manipulating events. Bane manipulated events several times to serve his purpose like how he destroyed the Brotherhood of Darkness. Revan destroyed the Sith on Korriban which indirectly led to rise of Bane.
Indeed, Revan may have come up with the Rule of Two (based on his past knowledge) but all of his Dark Side underlings were Sith, not Dark Jedi.
As far as the Sith continuing on after Sidious... that is just EU trampling the films again. While the Sith are an ideology, the ideology was supposed to end with Sidious and Vader as they could not continue their teachings when they're dead. Of course we havce Sidious revived and holocrons and Sith ghosts and blah blah blah...
xxxpopunker182 has said that the point of the Rule of Two is for the apprentice to surpass the Master. We do not know if that necessarily means out-and-out becoming more powerful, maybe just more skillful in deception and planning and whatnot, but we will see. We don't know if Zannah actually surpasses Bane at some point, but it is a possibility that shouldn't be ignored.
Originally posted by Captain REX
[B]Indeed, Revan may have come up with the Rule of Two (based on his past knowledge) but all of his Dark Side underlings were Sith, not Dark Jedi.
It seemed implied to me that the Dark Siders under Revan's employ had received minor Sith teachings. They obviously weren't Sith Lords that destroyed everyone and everything, but I felt that the academies on Malachor V and Korriban implied that they were receiving tutorship in the Dark Side of the Force as Sith. I could be wrong, Rex could be wrong, I know neither of us have really played KOTOR with much dedication...
Originally posted by Darth Truculent
Atris was a mad Jedi Master Allankles. Revan created the rule of two from the ancients. Through Revan's holocron Bane perfected the rule of two. Remember what Traya said - "Sith is a Belief." After Sidious was killed, the Sith ceased to exist right? Nope. Jacen revived it and became Caedus after Lumiya twisted him to serve her own purpose.I agree with you that the Sith is a cult, but Revan and Bane knew that in order for the Sith to remain strong, there must only be two. Sure use other darkside users, but they are little more than soldiers used for cannon fodder. Nobody can wage war without troops and manipulating events. Bane manipulated events several times to serve his purpose like how he destroyed the Brotherhood of Darkness. Revan destroyed the Sith on Korriban which indirectly led to rise of Bane.
There were many Sith at the time. The existence of the triumvate is proof of this, the masters of the academies on Korriban and Malachor were full fledged Sith. Many of the students were dark Jedi granted, but many of their masters were considered full members of the Sith order.
Revan's involvement with the rule of 2 was a retcon, it was never explicitly practiced until Bane. The rule of two would have ended the Sith after Kotor 1, but Malak didn't have a monopoly on dark side knowledge, nothing like Sidious and Vader who horded every dark side artifice and holocron they could get hold of, in their castles.
EDIT: In essence there was always a single Lord of the order with a prime apprentice. Even the ancients like Naga always kept a single or prime apprentice. You could extend such ideas to Kun and Ulic as a model of the rule of 2, but it was never an explicit rule until Bane.
Originally posted by Darth Exodus
Dude it was a joke. Personally I approve of doing the smart, 'cowardly' thing if it works.I do though think its pretty dumb to kill someone just before you learn their uber godly technique. Could Palpatine not wait a few more days?
Plagueis wasn't teaching it to my knowledge-maybe the new Encyclopedia contradicts me here, Gideon'd know.
I think it's said Palpatine only killed Plagueis when he surpassed him, though