There is no such thing as 'Darwinism' or 'Darwinian evolution'

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There is no such thing as 'Darwinism' or 'Darwinian evolution'

There is no such thing as 'Darwinism' or 'Darwinian evolution'

The correct term is Evolutionary Biology.

Here is an article that lays out the argument.

Time To Put Darwin in His Place
By Robert Roy Britt, Editorial Director

posted: 10 February 2009 12:56 pm ET

Charles Darwin would be 200 years old this week. And after all these years, people are still arguing about the theory of evolution that he fathered.

A primary reason: Some religious groups object to the notion that humans emerged millions of years ago from apes, or a common ancestor shared with apes, and that all life evolved over time, rather than being created as-is by God. This is the gist of it, though there are numerous variations on creationist arguments with evolution.

But there's another reason for the ongoing debate that may surprise you: The terms "Darwinian evolution" and "Darwinism" — used frequently by scientists and the media — are misleading.

Scientists have failed to let Darwin die, even as the theory he birthed grew up, some scientists now say. Evolutionary biology has evolved greatly since Darwin first generated the controversy with the 1859 publication of On the Origin of Species, and some think it's time to divorce his name from the theory's name.

The term Darwinism "fails to convey the full panoply of modern evolutionary biology accurately, and it fosters the inaccurate perception that the field stagnated for 150 years after Darwin's day," Eugenie C. Scott and Glenn Branch of the National Center for Science Education wrote last month in the journal Evolution: Education and Outreach.

Birth of evolution

In Origin, Darwin proposed that living things descended with modification from common ancestors. Within a decade or so, most scientists in Britain, at least, had accepted this basic idea of evolution, Scott and Branch explain.

Darwin's other big idea, that evolutionary change was driven by natural selection, was much slower to catch on, Scott and Branch write. It took other research, including a 20th-century rediscovery of work by Gregor Mendel — a priest and contemporary of Darwin who had unraveled the basic principles of heredity by crossbreeding peas — to give widespread credence to natural selection.

To scientists nowadays, there is no debate about the solidity of the theory of evolution. Like the theory of gravity, evolution has been tested every which way, and though there remains plenty to learn about some of the details of how it works, there is no questioning the fact that it is at work, creating new species such as drug-resistant bacteria on short time scales or, in the longer term, humans, who evolved from other primates.

Evolution is one of the most well-established theories in science, supported by observations in many fields, from fossil evidence to DNA work done only in recent years.

Other kinds of evolution?

Yet because scientists and the media refer to "Darwinian evolution," there's an implicit suggestion that there are other kinds, argues Carl Safina, adjunct professor at Stony Brook University, in an essay this week in The New York Times.

"We don't call astronomy Copernicism, nor gravity Newtonism," Safina points out. "Using phrases like 'Darwinian selection' or 'Darwinian evolution' implies there must be another kind of evolution at work, a process that can be described with another adjective. For instance, 'Newtonian physics' distinguishes the mechanical physics Newton explored from subatomic quantum physics. So 'Darwinian evolution' raises a question: What's the other evolution?"

There is none, of course.

Scott and Branch, in their paper, delved much deeper into the confusion fueled by these terms, given that evolutionary biology has expanded to include many theories and concepts unknown in the 19th century.

"The term “Darwinism" is, therefore, ambiguous and misleading," they write.

"Compounding the problem of 'Darwinism' is the hijacking of the term by creationists to portray evolution as a dangerous ideology — an 'ism' — that has no place in the science classroom," Scott and Branch argue. "When scientists and teachers use 'Darwinism' as synonymous with evolutionary biology, it reinforces such a misleading portrayal and hinders efforts to present the scientific standing of evolution accurately. Accordingly, the term 'Darwinism' should be abandoned as a synonym for evolutionary biology."

In short, it's time to put Charles Darwin in his place, with all due respect, and accept that his theory has evolved.

http://www.livescience.com/culture/090210-darwinian-evolution.html

What do you think?

I think the author is wrong.

There's Lamarkian Evolution and two other "Dude's Name" Evolution ideas from way back when. There's also Modern Evolution which is actually different than what Darwin originally came up with thanks to the benefit of time and better tools.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I think the author is wrong.

There's Lamarkian Evolution and two other "Dude's Name" Evolution ideas from way back when. There's also Modern Evolution which is actually different than what Darwin originally came up with thanks to the benefit of time and better tools.

I don't know anything about Lamarkian Evolution, but we don't distinguish a difference between what Newtonian physics and the theories of Einstein because one was built on top of the other. Therefore, we should not distinguish a difference between what Darwin started and what evolution is now, because one was built on top of the other.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There's Lamarkian Evolution and two other "Dude's Name" Evolution ideas from way back when.

The French scientist Maupertuis discussed evolution years before Darwin, as did Diderot. Charles Darwin's grandfather, Erasmus Darwin was another proponent of pre-Darwinian evolution.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

There's also Modern Evolution which is actually different than what Darwin originally came up with thanks to the benefit of time and better tools.

The Modern Synthesis basically incorporates Mendelian genetics into evolution by natural selection. It was created mainly by R.A. Fisher and Sewall Wright. (I'm sure that I'm missing someone.) The Modern Synthesis says that the laws of Mendelian inheritance are sufficient to explain the diversity of life when the concept of Natural selection is applied.

Lamarkian evolution is an explanation of why species change over time. He (Jean-Baptiste Lamarck) supposed that species persisted indefinitely, changing from one form to another. Species did not branch (through divergent evolution) or go extinct. He had a two part explanation of why species change:
[list]
[1]The principal mechanism was an "internal force"
[*]some sort of unknown mechanism (unknown) within an organism that caused it to produce offspring slightly different from itself
[*]The changes accumulated over many generations to transform the species
[2]The inheritance of acquired characteristics
[*]The Girraffe's neck is the classic explanation: an organism's striving is somehow passed on to its offspring
[*]Interestingly, this concept was the less important to him of his two mechanisms, even though it is the one for which he is remembered today[/list]

There is no such thing as 'Darwinism' or 'Darwinian evolution'

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The correct term is Evolutionary Biology.
What do you think?

"Evolutionary Biology" sounds like it's the Biology evolving.
"Evolution Biology" would've been better. 😮‍💨

Re: There is no such thing as 'Darwinism' or 'Darwinian evolution'

Originally posted by Mindship
"Evolutionary Biology" sounds like it's the Biology evolving.
"Evolution Biology" would've been better. 😮‍💨

That sounds fine to me. However, the point of the thread was to counter those fundamentalists who use the word "Darwinism" as a hammer to beat on evolution. 😄 Darwinism does not exist. 😉

Who cares...we know evolution is untrue...it says so in the Koran.

Originally posted by Grand-Moff-Gav
Who cares...we know evolution is untrue...it says so in the Koran.

I say fundamentalists and you post. 😆

It irritates me greatly that religious fundamentalists always use Darwin's work and it's flaws as the basis of their arguments. Completely ignoring the fact that some 150 years has passed since he produced that work. You wouldn't argue against current aeronautic principles on the basis of 150 year old flying theories would you?...You don't see many religious fundamentalists saying "we can't fly because noone had done in the 1850's"...So why they keep insisting on using Darwin as the start and end point of evolutionary evidence is beyond me. But i'll hazard a guess...because they simply don't understand the science. They don't want to try and understand it. They'd much rather just live in their own ignorant world.

Originally posted by jaden101
It irritates me greatly that religious fundamentalists always use Darwin's work and it's flaws as the basis of their arguments. Completely ignoring the fact that some 150 years has passed since he produced that work. You wouldn't argue against current aeronautic principles on the basis of 150 year old flying theories would you?...You don't see many religious fundamentalists saying "we can't fly because noone had done in the 1850's"...So why they keep insisting on using Darwin as the start and end point of evolutionary evidence is beyond me. But i'll hazard a guess...because they simply don't understand the science. They don't want to try and understand it. They'd much rather just live in their own ignorant world.

They don't...

It says clearly in the Koran.

Originally posted by jaden101
It irritates me greatly that religious fundamentalists always use Darwin's work and it's flaws as the basis of their arguments. Completely ignoring the fact that some 150 years has passed since he produced that work. You wouldn't argue against current aeronautic principles on the basis of 150 year old flying theories would you?...You don't see many religious fundamentalists saying "we can't fly because noone had done in the 1850's"...So why they keep insisting on using Darwin as the start and end point of evolutionary evidence is beyond me. But i'll hazard a guess...because they simply don't understand the science. They don't want to try and understand it. They'd much rather just live in their own ignorant world.

And you said you didn't know. 😂 It sounds like you got it right to me.

Re: Re: There is no such thing as 'Darwinism' or 'Darwinian evolution'

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Darwinism does not exist. 😉

That would be more true if it wasn't completely untrue.

Natural Selection.

Re: Re: Re: There is no such thing as 'Darwinism' or 'Darwinian evolution'

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That would be more true if it wasn't completely untrue.

I would agree with you if I didn't completely disagree with you. 😛

Originally posted by jaden101
So why they keep insisting on using Darwin as the start and end point of evolutionary evidence is beyond me. But i'll hazard a guess...because they simply don't understand the science. They don't want to try and understand it. They'd much rather just live in their own ignorant world.
"Darwin" is a pop tag, like "quantum."

I was watching this show last night, about the trial in Dover, Colorado, where the school board was trying to get Intelligent Design taught as an alternative theory to evolution. And I've also recently had the "pleasure" (I say that with only partial sarcasm) of engaging in discussion with two real-live Creationists (one of them is a really nice person, at least willing to listen to the Other Side)...

...I gotta tell ya: it really is like shooting fish in a barrel. With regard to presenting a logical argument based on material evidence...there's just no contest. This was why I just couldn't come down on the nice one. It also just fascinates me their POV: a real exercise in "creative" reasoning.

Originally posted by Mindship
"Darwin" is a pop tag, like "quantum."...

Creationists also want to put a human face on evolution. This allows them to disprove evolution by belittle Darwin. I have heard people claim that Darwin had affairs and that somehow makes evolution false. I don't know if that is true or not, but the logic, or lack of logic, is mind boggling.

Evolution is NOT Charles Darwin's theory.

At all.

His grandfather first came up with it.

^ Thank you.

and greek philosophers hundreds of years before the birth of christ had postulated it too

Darwin did the research and published the theory, thus it is attributed to him. "coming up" with something is pretty much useless in science. Darwin found the requisite evidence.

Originally posted by inimalist
and greek philosophers hundreds of years before the birth of christ had postulated it too

Darwin did the research and published the theory, thus it is attributed to him. "coming up" with something is pretty much useless in science. Darwin found the requisite evidence.

Evolution existed long before human existed.