Kratos vs Link

Started by Gumachi6 pages

I wouldn't call Kratos "evil" more like a Anti-Hero, Vergil had lust for power, but he really isn't "evil. "

Lol, no matter how you slice it, Kratos is evil. =P there's no debating that. No ends justfy THOSE means.

How is he evil? As for him killing innocents, he did it for Ares[He was willing to do anything in the name of Ares].

And that's not evil? o_O; If someone kills a bunch of people in the name of a god, they're evil. And Kratos is basicly a sociopath, how coudl he be anything but evil?

A angel in the bible killed 185,000 men, that doesn't make an angel evil[angel of God]. But I guess your kind of right. He does kill innocents[after leaving Ares].

firstly, lol at tryign to compare the two.

secondly out of context doesn't do work =o

thirdly, Satan's an angel in Judeo Christian lore.

Lastly, Kratos has nothing to do with Christianity, he's a brutal, vengeful, murderous, sadistic, bastard. Lol. He's evil.

Edit; Also, I'd like to point out the two are totally unrelated and that you're using a strawman. (albiet a mini one.)

Satan=Fallen Angel, who rebelled against God, and is the opposite of what God does.[evil]

K, Gumachi, if you want to go by the "evil is just going against god cause god decides what's evil" thing, Kratos goes around stabbign the dieties of his own pantheon.. So. VERY, evil.

Also, on topic please, Kratos =/= Old Testament.

I just said your "kind of right" okay?

You must have edited it in, lol. Anyway, I'm not trying to be offensive, just trying to debate.

No, I didn't edit it lol.

Well, I'm for bed in a minute, but I'm going to contend that fighting an evil being makes Link go over 9000, and thus puts him in the running. =P

Unfortunately Nintendo franchises seem under represented here =/
I'll debate further tomorrow.

NVM, I might have edited it. Either way I see what you mean.

Link plays with fairies. Kratos kills fairies.

Kratos has the magic and abilities of several Gods. He is a masterfully skilled, lifetime long killer and fighter. His primary weapon has insane reach that would keep Link on constant defense. Kratos escaped from hell. He killed the God of War and Zeus himself. Kratos' feats makes Link look like a little boy with a little sword and shield and that is exactly what this amounts to. Whether or not it would be adult Link fighting Kratos he would still be the equivalent of a little boy when confronted with a warrior like Kratos. Link has never faced an enemy close to Kratos. Compare the enemies that Link has conquered to the enemies that Kratos has conquered and the result is laughable, Kratos kills Gods, dude.

As for Kratos being evil. I really don't think you can call Kratos evil just in the way that you can't call a soldier evil for being ruthless. Evil is very subjective in the world of Ancient and mythological Greece. Considering that there is no real good or evil, even to the Gods. Kratos certainly cannot be considered evil for seeking revenge. The Gods he is killing are immoral, deceitful and manipulative. They will easily execute an evil deed if it benefits them.

As for his human existence. Kratos was a soldier and countryman. We know little of his life away from war. Looking at his family and the compassion he held for them. It seems as though, away from war, Kratos led an average life. In war, however, all soldiers are simaltaneously evil and righteous. Soldiers live by different rules than the rest of us. They live by the rules of the sword. Kratos is merely a man seeking revenge. He doesn't yearn for power, wealth or prestige. He may seek out power and wealth to help him accomplish his goal of revenge but other than revenge, Kratos seeks only death and peace.

I can refute almost everythign you've said in one word; Ganondorf.

Ganon is not only supremely powerful but he is evil.

No one truly believes themself to be evil, Ganondorf can justify his own actions to himself. In The Wind Waker he shows a truly human side, and reaveals some of his motivations, it's hard to really hate Ganondorf, but he's evil, and a total badass.

Kratos has his motivations for his actions, but he is undeniably evil, and that is exactly what Link is designed to fight. He is a hero chosen by his own pantheon of gods, and empowered with the triforce of courage (or the entire thing depending on the rules yet to be set up in this thread.) and the blade of evil's bane (among other such nifty stuff ;D).

Don't count him out so easily just because he doesn't spend half of his games tryign to show off how hardcore he is. He doesn't need to. =P

How is Kratos evil?

Well, Hades & Hell are two different things.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I can refute almost everythign you've said in one word; Ganondorf.

Ganon is not only supremely powerful but he is evil.

No one truly believes themself to be evil, Ganondorf can justify his own actions to himself. In The Wind Waker he shows a truly human side, and reaveals some of his motivations, it's hard to really hate Ganondorf, but he's evil, and a total badass.

Kratos has his motivations for his actions, but he is undeniably evil, and that is exactly what Link is designed to fight. He is a hero chosen by his own pantheon of gods, and empowered with the triforce of courage (or the entire thing depending on the rules yet to be set up in this thread.) and the blade of evil's bane (among other such nifty stuff ;D).

Don't count him out so easily just because he doesn't spend half of his games tryign to show off how hardcore he is. He doesn't need to. =P

I have to agree to disagree. I think indifferent is a better description for Kratos. Good and Evil in Kratos' world is very ambiguous. There never seems to be much difference between the two.

Whether or not Link is experienced in fighting evil he is still dwarfed in skill when standing next to Kratos. I find it very (VERY) hard to believe that link will be able to defend against Kratos blades, magic and strength.

Also, for the record, Kratos doesn't spend have the time in his games showing off how badass he is. He spends the entire time in his games being badass. There is a difference there 😉

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
Link plays with fairies. Kratos kills fairies.

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=118

I couldn't help it. =P

I can agree to disagree, then =P But I can't convince myself Kratos is a good guy, he's a protagonist, but.. not the 'good guy'. Lol.

As to Link's skill, this is something often underestimated I think. In most of the games he shows preternatural/inhuman skill with weapons he has apparently little or no training with. (shooting the pole ontop of the highest building in Kakariko in TP, for instance.) There's no proven skill cap for Link.

Also, I think indifference to brutal murder is evil =P

Edit; I love that comic strip. Lol.