Kratos vs Link

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I can agree to disagree, then =P But I can't convince myself Kratos is a good guy, he's a protagonist, but.. not the 'good guy'. Lol.

As to Link's skill, this is something often underestimated I think. In most of the games he shows preternatural/inhuman skill with weapons he has apparently little or no training with. (shooting the pole ontop of the highest building in Kakariko in TP, for instance.) There's no proven skill cap for Link.

Also, I think indifference to brutal murder is evil =P

Edit; I love that comic strip. Lol.

batman is evil because he killed someone? anti hero refers to a flawed hero but still has good goal. Kratos only wanted his family back plus at the end of chains of olympus he actually gave up the option of seeing his family to save greece. plus in god of war kratos was raised like that so it isn't really his fault.

Kratos isn't a flawed hero, he's a brutal killer. He's the protagonist, yeah, but not necassarily the good guy, lol. His escapades make Batman look saintly.

o_O Ganondorf has just as human a motivation for tryign to take over the world, but he's gona utterly insane from power and time spent locked away, it's amde him bitter and vengeful, Kratos is basicly a young Gdorf in the making o: if Ganon is evil, so is Kratos.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Kratos isn't a flawed hero, he's a brutal killer. He's the protagonist, yeah, but not necassarily the good guy, lol. His escapades make Batman look saintly.

o_O Ganondorf has just as human a motivation for tryign to take over the world, but he's gona utterly insane from power and time spent locked away, it's amde him bitter and vengeful, Kratos is basicly a young Gdorf in the making o: if Ganon is evil, so is Kratos.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Kratos isn't a flawed hero, he's a brutal killer. He's the protagonist, yeah, but not necassarily the good guy, lol. His escapades make Batman look saintly.

o_O Ganondorf has just as human a motivation for tryign to take over the world, but he's gona utterly insane from power and time spent locked away, it's amde him bitter and vengeful, Kratos is basicly a young Gdorf in the making o: if Ganon is evil, so is Kratos.

Kratos has very real motivation for revenge, where-as Ganon's motivation for power may of once been a sincere and understandable one, his life even before he gained the Triforce of Power warped it into an insane, lunatic quest to rule Hyrule because he was envious of their land.

They are very different, Kratos is a truly sympathetic character, Ganondorf may have been one once, but his personality degenerated into the calculating, cold, vicious tyrant he is today.

Kratos does not make others suffer for his goals unless necessary, Ganon does.

I can see both of your view points but from my angle, the ends don't justify the means, imo.

My point is simply that no one sets out to be intentionally evil and that can create a grey area. But as they say the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

So, I'm still thinking Kratos is evil.

Edit; Also I used Ganon more as an example of where I think kratos is headed. Ganondorf is undeniably beyond redemption at this point ,but that wasn't always so =P but he was never a good guy, even if it seemed like it to him.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I can see both of your view points but from my angle, the ends don't justify the means, imo.

My point is simply that no one sets out to be intentionally evil and that can create a grey area. But as they say the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

So, I'm still thinking Kratos is evil.

Edit; Also I used Ganon more as an example of where I think kratos is headed. Ganondorf is undeniably beyond redemption at this point ,but that wasn't always so =P but he was never a good guy, even if it seemed like it to him.

Kratos is not intentionally evil, he is selfish, and mostly cares about himself, but not beyond hope, not yet. Not like Ganon is.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
His ends are to destroy a corrupt pantheon of Gods. And his means would only harm those Gods.

Kratos is not intentionally evil, he is selfish, and mostly cares about himself, but not beyond hope, not yet. Not like Ganon is.

Not yet, but selfishness is where it begins =P Ganondorf didn't start out one day and say ".. I want to be evil." No one does, monolithic evil only exists in Children's shows.

It's not the intentions, alot of bad thigns can be doen with good intentions. And no one *really* sets out to be evil. o:

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not yet, but selfishness is where it begins =P Ganondorf didn't start out one day and say ".. I want to be evil." No one does, monolithic evil only exists in Children's shows.

It's not the intentions, alot of bad thigns can be doen with good intentions. And no one *really* sets out to be evil. o:

What does he do that is truly evil? He does not wish to kill anyone, just Zeus.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not yet, but selfishness is where it begins =P Ganondorf didn't start out one day and say ".. I want to be evil." No one does, monolithic evil only exists in Children's shows.

It's not the intentions, alot of bad thigns can be doen with good intentions. And no one *really* sets out to be evil. o:

No one sets out to be evil? What about Frieza, Cell, Akuma, Aku from Samurai Jack, Darkseid, Andross, Mephisto, Blackheart, etc?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru

What does he do that is truly evil? He does not wish to kill anyone, just Zeus.

And anyone that gets in his way. He actually showed remorse when he accidentally killed Athena, but he did do one jerk/evil move in the first one when he kicked that captain back down the Hydra once he got the key. To be fair though the captain did kind of deny him the key in the first place.

Originally posted by King-Fingolfin
http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=118

I couldn't help it. =P

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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I can agree to disagree, then =P But I can't convince myself Kratos is a good guy, he's a protagonist, but.. not the 'good guy'. Lol.

As to Link's skill, this is something often underestimated I think. In most of the games he shows preternatural/inhuman skill with weapons he has apparently little or no training with. (shooting the pole ontop of the highest building in Kakariko in TP, for instance.) There's no proven skill cap for Link.

Also, I think indifference to brutal murder is evil =P

Edit; I love that comic strip. Lol.

Thats cool then. I never looked at Kratos as a good guy either but not a bad guy or, maybe, a bad guy seeking peace. Just because you're a bad guy doesnt mean you're evil though. I can definitely see why someone would view Kratos as evil though.

I wasnt trying to underestimate Links skill towards his respective traits. I just think Kratos is another league.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No one sets out to be evil? What about Frieza, Cell, Akuma, Aku from Samurai Jack, Darkseid, Andross, Mephisto, Blackheart, etc?

Children's shows, Street fighter, Children's show, super man comic, game aimed at younger audience, ect.

Anyway.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No one sets out to be evil? What about Frieza, Cell, Akuma, Aku from Samurai Jack, Darkseid, Andross, Mephisto, Blackheart, etc?

Cell just wanted to prove he was the strongest. He was overtly arrogant, and went to underhanded tactics when his seeming invincibility was threatened.

Arguably, Akuma is not even evil, he has a moral code.

Aku is quite literally a physical embodiment of evil.

Darkseid was raised as such by his dad I think. Or something. Apokalips IS a pretty fvcked up place to grow up.

Andross was not evil at first, he was a respected Cornerian scientist, but greed got the better of him and he made all them Bio Weapons and stuffs which got him banished.

Mephisto is the Devil. 😐

Blackheart is his son. 😐

It's like asking why chicken wings have bones.

I crushed all your examples.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Children's shows, Street fighter, Children's show, super man comic, game aimed at younger audience, ect.

Anyway.

DBZ and Samurai Jack weren't children shows. For one a children show doesn't have blood and cursing. It doesn't matter if it is a comic or a game they were pretty much born evil. If you want an example of an evil game character than how about the Mad King Ashnard from Fire Emblem Path of Radiance? The guy was pretty messed up as a child. He tricked his father into signing a blood pact which basically means do what we say or all of your family and country dies. His family died off and so did his people and he either killed his father or talked his father into killing himself. I forget but I'm more sure he killed him himself. He did all of this so he could be king quicker. After that he killed the father of his closest allying nation just so he could start some world war to summon the god of chaos. There was no backstory about how he loved a woman and wanted her to be by his side again seeing as he had a wife and treated her like crap. The guy was basically evil.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Freeza's past is unknown. But he was likely raised that way by King Cold.

Cell just wanted to prove he was the strongest. He was overtly arrogant, and went to underhanded tactics when his seeming invincibility was threatened.

Arguably, Akuma is not even evil, he has a moral code.

Aku is quite literally a physical embodiment of evil.

Darkseid was raised as such by his dad I think. Or something. Apokalips IS a pretty fvcked up place to grow up.

Andross was not evil at first, he was a respected Cornerian scientist, but greed got the better of him and he made all them Bio Weapons and stuffs which got him banished.

Mephisto is the Devil. 😐

Blackheart is his son. 😐

It's like asking why chicken wings have bones.

I crushed all your examples.

Doesn't matter if it was KC or not, they are all evil, everyone we have seen from Frieza's race is evil.

Cell was evil, I could understand wanting to prove you were strongest and wanting to beat or kill the Z-Fighters but IIRC when he first appeared he was absorbing regular humans as well and the average human has like what a PLevel of 2?

We agree Aku is naturally evil.

I didn't know that about Andross.

Then DS's father is evil which means that people can naturally be evil.

Those two are still evil which means that people can be born evil.

Cletus Cassidy had no huge turning point that made him evil. Didn't he kill his grandmother?

I just crushed your balls with my super strong mandible.

I don't think that having a moral code neccesarily makes you not evil. Dr. Doom has one but some people still sees him as evil,

Cassidy was a sociopath, and TGE DID crush every example you had =/

What does he do that is truly evil? He does not wish to kill anyone, just Zeus.

He kills innocents, he wants to kill all the Gods, he killed his half brothers, cousins[maybe he had too?].

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Cassidy was a sociopath, and TGE DID crush every example you had =/

They were still born evil and Cassidy is still evil and was evil as a child which means that people can be born just plain evil. Not everyone is born with a sense of justice and will to do what is right.

@ Gumachi

The only actions that seem justified in Kratos' entire catalog are allying with the titans and such, and killing Ares/Zues.

Everything else he does he manages to sprinkle with malevolence or take too far. o_O; Regardless of his motivation the guy does some pretty horrible crap. Alot of unnecassary killing. He can obviously justify it to himself but that doesn't make his actions excusable. o____O;

For instance, when he becomes the god of war, what does he do? O riiight. Go rampaging.

@Wei Pheonix no, Cletus was not born evil he devloped a mental illness. Thanks heaps for the stigma.

And yes, TGE did crush your examples.

Also, Kratos isn't an alien named freiza who wears lipstick. (and yes, Samurai Jack and DBZ are kids shows.)

Kratos is a person. And he makes his decisions like any of us.

And the only people who go out of their way to be 'evil' on purpose are thirteen year old satanists.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
@ Gumachi

The only actions that seem justified in Kratos' entire catalog are allying with the titans and such, and killing Ares/Zues.

Everything else he does he manages to sprinkle with malevolence or take too far. o_O; Regardless of his motivation the guy does some pretty horrible crap. Alot of unnecassary killing. He can obviously justify it to himself but that doesn't make his actions excusable. o____O;

For instance, when he becomes the god of war, what does he do? O riiight. Go rampaging.

@Wei Pheonix no, Cletus was not born evil he devloped a mental illness. Thanks heaps for the stigma.

And yes, TGE did crush your examples.

Also, Kratos isn't an alien named freiza who wears lipstick. (and yes, Samurai Jack and DBZ are kids shows.)

Kratos is a person. And he makes his decisions like any of us.

And the only people who go out of their way to be 'evil' on purpose are thirteen year old satanists.

ok but refer to kratos as a neutral person like shadow who are group together as anti heroes because what they do outside the laws but in the in long run make up for that like lelouch vi Britannia