Wonder Woman (Diana) vs Fantastic Four (Spider-man, Wolverine, Ghost Rider, Hulk)

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Originally posted by SupremeMan
Like when she's fighting four opponents and GR and te Hulk are two of them.

"It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels."

I read that somewhere. Oh yeah, I remember now- in the rules. 🙂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ continued They also fight in character. Flash can and has owned his opponents in the first millisecond of the fight. Wonderwoman does not unless the situation calls for it. Like I noted with Fangirl101, if you're arguing that Wonderwoman, would know only her speed could save her in this fight and thus she would kick it up a nitch right at the outset, I'd again disagree with that. She doesn't know these characters. And to be quite honest, it's not necessary for her to rely completely on her speed to win anyway.

Well, thank you for that anyway. You may be the first person of those who thinks WW might not win who also thinks that her strength and durability vs. blunt trauma is enough to actuaully stand up to the Hulk and possibly win without speed. Most people just assume otherwise no matter what her feats are.

Originally posted by Draco69
His unbreakable skeleton nor healing factor is an issue.

He either is lucky enough to get knocked out with one hit while his sack of muscle and metal bones lands on another continent.

Or he becomes a Canadian popsicle in orbit.

KMC forum rules state that everyone will act to their very best. Which includes bloodlust and speedblitzing for Wonder Woman.

He gets owned in the first picosecond of the fight.

You're saying that Spider-Man could react to Superman's superspeed? Or Black Adam's? Or the Flash's? No.

He can't react to Wonder Woman either. Unfortunately, a near-Superman punch coming at his skull at near-lightspeed will it explode like an overcooked bag of popcorn in a microwave oven.

If he's lucky and if Diana is feeling merciful, he simply gets his neck broken.

There's nothing he could do expect stand there and die.

And this the next picosecond after she punts Logan into orbit.

Yes, he really would. It'd be super-easy.

Ms. Marvel? Seriously? You're comparing a mid-tier hero who's at best Class 50 to Wonder Woman who can go toe-to-toe with Superman and can keep up with the Flash...?

Um, no. Under KMC rules, here's the first few seconds of the fight:

*BOOM*

Ghost Rider: The hell was that?!

Hulk: Hulk not see funny man and Canadian.

Wonder Woman: That was the sound of me breaking the sound barrier. The sounds you can't hear are your friends gasping their last breaths for air on the surface of the moon. Who's next?

Ghost Rider: Didn't even see her move...

When has a fight in the comics ever gone like this????? Even if it would happen. First off WW is not s fast as flash or Superman. Spidey has had brief moments of Super Speed before. He has lightening fast reflexes. His agility is superb. Spidey has been recorded of running up to 70 mph for a few seconds.

Spidey has had some absurd feats. Not saying he could hang with WW, but in aa team WW would not focus on himor the others. First dude she would take on would be hulk. He would rush right at her

^ It's very arguable that Wonderwoman, when calling upon her speed, is actually faster than Superman H2H.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
Well, thank you for that anyway. You may be the first person of those who thinks WW might not win who also thinks that her strength and durability vs. blunt trauma is enough to actuaully stand up to the Hulk and possibly win without speed. Most people just assume otherwise no matter what her feats are.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ It's very arguable that Wonderwoman, when calling upon her speed, is actually faster than Superman H2H.

Yea it is possible. I know there as something on WW's respect thread about that. Supes overall is faster. But supposedly WW has a faster h2h reaction timed, because she is a trained warrior, does not hesitant and makes all her decisions lightning fast.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ It's very arguable that Wonderwoman, when calling upon her speed, is actually faster than Superman H2H.I understand that was some sort of compliment. On a related note, I also feel I am still probably the only one who thinks foes like Superman would win but also recognizes that Hulk has feats against speedsters and because he looks like this slow lumbering brute, he's used that mistaken first impression against his foes in almost every single fight he's ever been in to capitalize on his strength advantage. This occurs even against foes that have experience with him and know he's faster than he looks. It'd be a pleasant surprise if people would recognize that in some respect when CIS is on in these hypothetical fights.

I agree we tend to be guilty of throwing out CIS along with PIS. I think the Hulk is fast, more than humanly possible in the real world. But not remotely on the level of characters like WW. I also don't think he could take her out so fast that she would not realize the need to start moving faster, especially considering that its not like her speed is some power she has to activate. Defensively, every time she has somebody jump out and start firing a gun, she is immediately reacting at super speed.

Excuse me, but how many lightspeed or even supersonic combat speed characters are on marvel earth? 😛

Hulk rarely fights anyone with good combat speed.

And given that people like Wolverine, Deadpool and countless others (including I think Quicksilver at one time) have dodged his attacks, he is obviously not supersonic.

The only person who might have used that level of speed was Sentry, and he didn't use shit against Hulk.

And honestly, Wondy practically always uses speed in any fight that is serious. And on KMC, we do not have story considerations or artificially prolonging fights for dramatic purposes. We've seen Wondy when she goes all out. She can fight at Superman's level.

That alone, puts her far above this crowd. Someone who blocks machine gun fire and lasers by slapping them aside with indestructible bracelets is not someone they can react to in any reasonable situation.

I can't see them reacting in time to stop a mass lasso round-up. 😬 Or 2 busted skulls, one KOed ghosts, and a green star in the sky/green smear on the ground.

And in case people forget, the lasso works as a weapon as well........herald level razorwire/whip/whatever else she decides to use. Though, this probably falls under bloodlust.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That alone, puts her far above this crowd. Someone who blocks machine gun fire and lasers by slapping them aside with indestructible bracelets is not someone they can react to in any reasonable situation.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I can't see them reacting in time to stop a mass lasso round-up. 😬 Or 2 busted skulls, one KOed ghosts, and a green star in the sky/green smear on the ground.

And in case people forget, the lasso works as a weapon as well........herald level razorwire/whip/whatever else she decides to use. Though, this probably falls under bloodlust.

Spiderman, mongoose, quicksilver, speed demon, ultraa, and black racer have attacked in a blurr of fists, yet not one of them can do it at lightspeed. Just because a person looks superfast in a fight does not mean that they can attack at lightspeed. Plot speed is different from actual speed or else a comic would be 1000 pages long. Nothing takes the place of numbers, if it is not said in plain writing that a person is moving or attacking at light speed, then we cannot assume that by looking at them moving fast that they are. If that were the case, then all that i named can claim FTL reflexes or attacks that show their fists in a series of blurrs.

Thor does not block gun fire. Spinning his hammer is not nearly the same as what Wondy does and you know it. That's an a complete strawman fallacy.

Thor being an idiot and brawling with Hulk is something we ignore if Thor is at his best.

James: Little problem with that. When you're at herald level, and you're moving at blurs, it's generally taken to much much faster. Not to mention when people have proven FTL travel speed, combat speed, and reflex speed, it's being completely ignorant to assume they are moving at human or even mere metahuman levels of speed during fights.

Numbers do help, agreed. But sometimes you have to work them out yourself. Example. Superman rebuilds the entire city of Metropolis in 2 panels. That feat is not calculated in numbers, but given that he was a blur of motion, and that it seems to have happened in an instant given that the Bizarros were surprised at the result, it's patently obvious that it was a lightspeed feat. To rebuild an entire city by hand, even using HV or Freeze breath to help speed it up, is a rediculous feat that simply cannot be quantified with numbers.

Therefore, your case is facetious and merely an attempt to downplay Wonder Woman's proven speed and claim that team 2 can actually hit her at all.

And why did you name Ultraa? He's one of Maxima's race, a race of high end telepaths and superman levelers. And if he's anywhere near her in power, he could smoke everyone else you named singlehanded. (assuming that's Marvel Black Racer and not DC.)

WW can win this only due to the fact shes to fast for any of theses guys. they cant hit her.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Excuse me, but how many lightspeed or even supersonic combat speed characters are on marvel earth? 😛

Hulk rarely fights anyone with good combat speed.

And given that people like Wolverine, Deadpool and countless others (including I think Quicksilver at one time) have dodged his attacks, he is obviously not supersonic.

The only person who might have used that level of speed was Sentry, and he didn't use shit against Hulk.

And honestly, Wondy practically always uses speed in any fight that is serious. And on KMC, we do not have story considerations or artificially prolonging fights for dramatic purposes. We've seen Wondy when she goes all out. She can fight at Superman's level.

That alone, puts her far above this crowd. Someone who blocks machine gun fire and lasers by slapping them aside with indestructible bracelets is not someone they can react to in any reasonable situation.

I can't see them reacting in time to stop a mass lasso round-up. 😬 Or 2 busted skulls, one KOed ghosts, and a green star in the sky/green smear on the ground.

And in case people forget, the lasso works as a weapon as well........herald level razorwire/whip/whatever else she decides to use. Though, this probably falls under bloodlust.

Wonder woman NEVER showed any kind of ability of fighting at light speed along with superman, martian martian manhunter, orion, etc..

I would love for you to show me any of them fight faster then the speed of sound. You wont find it.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder woman NEVER showed any kind of ability of fighting at light speed along with superman, martian martian manhunter, orion, etc..

I would love for you to show me any of them fight faster then the speed of sound. You wont find it.

Originally posted by fangirl101
go to my respect thread. You lose. She fought off pieces of the shattered gos at ftl.

So in that scan that you're talking about, it actually say that the sharpnel was going the speed of light or even close. I agree, her combat speed is>>superman but that doesnt mean that its even remotely close to the speed of light.

I agree, wonder woman is fast as hell but she admitted herself while fighting flash that she is fast to a human but when it comes to pure super speed, especially against flash, she doesnt come close, and this was a flash that wasnt even going CLOSE to the speed of light and she was getting wailed on.

Originally posted by carver9
Wonder woman NEVER showed any kind of ability of fighting at light speed along with superman, martian martian manhunter, orion, etc..

I would love for you to show me any of them fight faster then the speed of sound. You wont find it.

Originally posted by carver9
So in that scan that you're talking about, it actually say that the sharpnel was going the speed of light or even close. I agree, her combat speed is>>superman but that doesnt mean that its even remotely close to the speed of light.

I agree, wonder woman is fast as hell but she admitted herself while fighting flash that she is fast to a human but when it comes to pure super speed, especially against flash, she doesnt come close, and this was a flash that wasnt even going CLOSE to the speed of light and she was getting wailed on.

👆

btw Ghost Rider also has his chain for the fight, right? (its indestructible)

Originally posted by zeel
WW can win this only due to the fact shes to fast for any of theses guys. they cant hit her.

She is not flash. Even if some one is really fast. Unless they are a straight up super speedster or have the crazy speed agility & senses of Spiderman or Just have the ridiculous PIS Batman has and occasional other Characters as well like Cap America. I consider no one untouchable.

Maybe they technically have the ability to react that fast, but only a few characters have the mental capacity to react as fast as their potential

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
She is not flash. Even if some one is really fast. Unless they are a straight up super speedster or have the crazy speed agility & senses of Spiderman or Just have the ridiculous PIS Batman has and occasional other Characters as well like Cap America. I consider no one untouchable.

Maybe they technically have the ability to react that fast, but only a few characters have the mental capacity to react as fast as their potential

Originally posted by fangirl101
lol. How many ww appearances do u pwn? She not only has the capacity she has no lapse time in her reations. And lulz at comparing her to spiderman.

She is good, but in this fight I would not say she is untouchable. And I wasn't comparing her to Spidey, but for his power set he is untouchable to a certain degree, but not completely. All I was trying to do was list heroes who seem untouchable but really aren't. I do not even consider Supes untouchable. Just look at all the times he has been tagged, when he should have been able to dodge. WW has had some impressive feats, but your respect thread neglects all the feats where she has been tagged by other people.

Only person I may consider untouchable would be Flash, and I could post some scans that prove that wrong.

Originally posted by Silent Guardian
She is good, but in this fight I would not say she is untouchable. And I wasn't comparing her to Spidey, but for his power set he is untouchable to a certain degree, but not completely. All I was trying to do was list heroes who seem untouchable but really aren't. I do not even consider Supes untouchable. Just look at all the times he has been tagged, when he should have been able to dodge. WW has had some impressive feats, but your respect thread neglects all the feats where she has been tagged by other people.

Only person I may consider untouchable would be Flash, and I could post some scans that prove that wrong.