Wonder Woman (Diana) vs Fantastic Four (Spider-man, Wolverine, Ghost Rider, Hulk)

Whats always ignored is Hulk's own speed and combat reaction time. obviously the Hulk doesn't have Flash's speed, or anywhere close to it. But whats a proven fact time and time again is Hulk's uncanny ability to connect blows when he needs to in close combat.

This has been largely attributed to his awareness and ability to percieve astral forms.....but he has the ability to precisely detect where something is going to be at at any given instant. This was proven when tagging the likes of foes much much faster than himself (Quicksilver for instance).

So speed is for the most part irrelevant vs Hulk in close quarter fighting....if you are within range, he will hit you....and generally with much more force than he recieves in exchange.

So yeah you can run circles around him, but at any point where you are within striking range, the Hulk can and will exchange blows.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Thor does not block gun fire. Spinning his hammer is not nearly the same as what Wondy does and you know it. That's an a complete strawman fallacy.

Thor being an idiot and brawling with Hulk is something we ignore if Thor is at his best.

James: Little problem with that. When you're at herald level, and you're moving at blurs, it's generally taken to much much faster. Not to mention when people have proven FTL travel speed, combat speed, and reflex speed, it's being completely ignorant to assume they are moving at human or even mere metahuman levels of speed during fights.

Numbers do help, agreed. But sometimes you have to work them out yourself. Example. Superman rebuilds the entire city of Metropolis in 2 panels. That feat is not calculated in numbers, but given that he was a blur of motion, and that it seems to have happened in an instant given that the Bizarros were surprised at the result, it's patently obvious that it was a lightspeed feat. To rebuild an entire city by hand, even using HV or Freeze breath to help speed it up, is a rediculous feat that simply cannot be quantified with numbers.

Therefore, your case is facetious and merely an attempt to downplay Wonder Woman's proven speed and claim that team 2 can actually hit her at all.

And why did you name Ultraa? He's one of Maxima's race, a race of high end telepaths and superman levelers. And if he's anywhere near her in power, he could smoke everyone else you named singlehanded. (assuming that's Marvel Black Racer and not DC.)

Originally posted by horrorwolf
Whats always ignored is Hulk's own speed and combat reaction time. obviously the Hulk doesn't have Flash's speed, or anywhere close to it. But whats a proven fact time and time again is Hulk's uncanny ability to connect blows when he needs to in close combat.

This has been largely attributed to his awareness and ability to percieve astral forms.....but he has the ability to precisely detect where something is going to be at at any given instant. This was proven when tagging the likes of foes much much faster than himself (Quicksilver for instance).

So speed is for the most part irrelevant vs Hulk in close quarter fighting....if you are within range, he will hit you....and generally with much more force than he recieves in exchange.

So yeah you can run circles around him, but at any point where you are within striking range, the Hulk can and will exchange blows.

Originally posted by james2099
WW is nowhere near where you make her out to be. She has nowhere near lightspeed reflexes, she is faster than the team and where did i say that the team can hit her? So i guess WW can keep up with flash, silver surfer, and gladiator who HAS been CLOCKED ON PANEL????? I want you to name 7 DC characters that can claim to move at 10 times the speed of light. There was a 5.0 mustang running up and down the road last week that people said was fast as hell until my camaro showed it its ass end, now they claim its the fastest thing on the block. Just wait until the guy with the yellow vette show me his cars ass end 😕

She's grabbing an attack from a GL which is a construct made of light.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228650_scan0032/

Are we going to say that Amazo's HV blast were not Light speed? Lulz
http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/nn20/GideonsArmy/Comics/?action=view&current=scan0014.jpg

Lulz @ WW compared with Quicksilver...

As always...Hulk fanboys trying to over hype him.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I completely Disagree. And lulz at using Quicksilver who would be a slug compared to Diana.

you can get a case of the LuLz all you want, the fact remains. Hulk is nowhere near as fast as Quicksilver, Thor, Sentry, Norrin, Gladiator...and many others.

But as mentioned, when it comes to combat, the Hulk has the uncanny ability to know where you are regardless of if he can track your movement by eye. So if you go toe to toe...he will exhange blows at any given moment.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
you can get a case of the LuLz all you want, the fact remains. Hulk is nowhere near as fast as Quicksilver, Thor, Sentry, Norrin, Gladiator...and many others.

But as mentioned Hulk has the uncanny ability to know where you are regardless of if he can track your movement by eye. So if you go toe to toe...he will exhange blows at will.

No, its actually a part of his powerset...it why and how he connects when taking on those who move faster than himself....for over 30 years.

Not like DC making it seem like she can take on Superman...(When she can't)

Originally posted by fangirl101
Shall I embarrass you completely? I shall. Give me a few mins. Lulz at saying she has no where near lightspeed reflexes. Lulz indeed.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228690_560x867.jpg
YOu do realize that these are lightspeed projectiles she is blocking. And not only just standing there blocking, she's moving in a circular pattern blocking them. Which means she is propelling her body and reacting to all of these projectiles in order to deflect them. And anyone who says they are not moving at ftl is kidding themselves. These stars where zooming in from around the universe.

She's grabbing an attack from a GL which is a construct made of light.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228650_scan0032/

Are we going to say that Amazo's HV blast were not Light speed? Lulz
http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/nn20/GideonsArmy/Comics/?action=view&current=scan0014.jpg

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None of those prove that she goes anywhere close to the speed of light and also prove to me that superman heat vision is the speed of light when normal bricks have put there hands out fast enough to block them.

But again, those are impressive feats and wonder woman reflexes is next to none, except maybe flash but far less then anyone in this battle has tagged that ass.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
No, its actually a part of his powerset...it why and how he connects when taking on those who move faster than himself....for over 30 years.

Not like DC making it seem like she can take on Superman...(When she can't)

No, its actually a part of the Hulk's powerset...it's why and how he connects when taking on those who move faster than himself....for over 30 years.

Not like DC making it seem like she can take on Superman...(When she can't)

Originally posted by carver9
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None of those prove that she goes anywhere close to the speed of light and also prove to me that superman heat vision is the speed of light when normal bricks have put there hands out fast enough to block them.

But again, those are impressive feats and wonder woman reflexes is next to none, except maybe flash but far less then anyone in this battle has tagged that ass.

Horror, post scans or issue numbers stating he has this "uncanny ability" he has since its part of "Hulk's powerset"

still anyone going toe to toe will get hit if in range

Originally posted by fangirl101
Unless you can't read, the scan says that the shattered God called the star bolts from all across the Universe. Now how the Hell do you think they got there? At 60mph? And of course Superman's HV is light speed. It's light. WTF. Are you saying light doesn't travel at Light speed? Bricks have blocked one ray of HV. Show me someone blocking Dozen's of rays in rapid succession. Dont' try and down play the feat. That is so annoying. How many times must I teach you? And this is a forum fight, No one in this fight is going to tag her. Geesh. Go read the rules again.

Heat vision isnt the speed of light and its not a form of light either, the question is WHAT are you talking about and I wasnt down playing her reflecting heat vision because honestly i know that she could, wonder woman reflexes is fast as hell. I brought up heat vision because you're saying that heat vision is the speed of light when its not. Is cyclops eye beams also the speed of light and if you say yes then that mean that wolverine reflexes is the speed of light also since he was dodging them at point blank range.

NFF for the win.

Originally posted by carver9
Heat vision isnt the speed of light and its not a form of light either, the question is WHAT are you talking about and I wasnt down playing her reflecting heat vision because honestly i know that she could, wonder woman reflexes is fast as hell. I brought up heat vision because you're saying that heat vision is the speed of light when its not. Is cyclops eye beams also the speed of light and if you say yes then that mean that wolverine reflexes is the speed of light also since he was dodging them at point blank range.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Horror, post scans or issue numbers stating he has this "uncanny ability" he has since its part of "Hulk's powerset"

Originally posted by fangirl101
Shall I embarrass you completely? I shall. Give me a few mins. Lulz at saying she has no where near lightspeed reflexes. Lulz indeed.
http://www.picamatic.com/show/2008/10/23/01/26/1228690_560x867.jpg
YOu do realize that these are lightspeed projectiles she is blocking. And not only just standing there blocking, she's moving in a circular pattern blocking them. Which means she is propelling her body and reacting to all of these projectiles in order to deflect them. And anyone who says they are not moving at ftl is kidding themselves. These stars where zooming in from around the universe.

She's grabbing an attack from a GL which is a construct made of light.
http://www.picamatic.com/view/1228650_scan0032/

Are we going to say that Amazo's HV blast were not Light speed? Lulz
http://s300.photobucket.com/albums/nn20/GideonsArmy/Comics/?action=view&current=scan0014.jpg

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
NFF for the win.