Wonder Woman (Diana) vs Fantastic Four (Spider-man, Wolverine, Ghost Rider, Hulk)

Originally posted by Thorion
Hulk "should" be a statue compared to Sentry, Thor, etc. Get out of here with that nonsense.

And if you've read the KMC rules, you would realize we (including the moderator Raoul discount that as PIS)

Sentry barely used his speed in fights with Hulk. In this forum, acting to the best of his abilities, he'll be speedblitzing the hell of Hulk.

Thor resorts to a brawl everytime he faces Hulk and seemly forgets his
multitude of abilities he possesses with the hammer.

In KMC, he wins rather easily since he's in bloodlust and he uses his abilities to the best of his ability.

Meaning he gets teleported to the Sun. Or he gets shot with a Godblast.

Sentry never used his speed against the Hulk 😐.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Sentry never used his speed against the Hulk 😐.

Oh. Well, that's even more PIS.

😐

Originally posted by Thorion
Hulk "should" be a statue compared to Sentry, Thor, etc. Get out of here with that nonsense.

Nonsense ? Ironic. That's quite the logic you got there. The type of logic that goes against the rules. Many of Superman's opponents should be statues compared to him. And we can say this about other characters with proven high-level superspeed. Yet they get tagged. Does that make their adversaries somehow on their level of speed ? No. Thus why we have the ..

The "No PIS" Rule

PIS = Plot Induced Stupidity

At times, for the sake of the plot, characters that are immensely more powerful than their opponent will "job" to carry on the plot of the story, even though the characters powers and history would clearly show that they are more than capable of destroying their opponent. For this reason we have a No PIS Rule. This rule prohibits the use of such instances of PIS from being used as evidence in debates.

Full Capacity
It is assumed that each contestant will fight to his/her best ability, but still within the character's personality, unless specified otherwise. That means they will use any powers at their disposal. For example, even though The Flash doesn't clock each of his own opponents in the first millisecond in his own comic, it is assumed that is a viable tactic on this board since it is a proven fact that he possesses that level of speed.
It is also assumed that the characters fight at their optimum levels of ability - not explicitly weakened or unusually powered up for those who have variable power levels.

..rules.

Have we seen Hulk fight at high-level speed ? No. Does he have the kind of feats backing up the fact that he can ? No. Simple.

Originally posted by Draco69
And if you've read the KMC rules, you would realize we (including the moderator Raoul discount that as PIS)

Sentry barely used his speed in fights with Hulk. In this forum, acting to the best of his abilities, he'll be speedblitzing the hell of Hulk.

Thor resorts to a brawl everytime he faces Hulk and seemly forgets his
multitude of abilities he possesses with the hammer.

In KMC, he wins rather easily since he's in bloodlust and he uses his abilities to the best of his ability.

Meaning he gets teleported to the Sun. Or he gets shot with a Godblast.

It's PIS regardless of the fact that every single FTL opponent Hulk has gone up against has found their speed completely negated by Hulk's dynamic strength.

If it happens enough times, it's 100% legit.

I also like how you completely ignored my previous point. Quote a rule which I've infringed or admit that you were throwing around baseless accusations like people who've lost a debate commonly do.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Nonsense ? Ironic. That's quite the logic you got there. The type of logic that goes against the rules. Many of Superman's opponents should be statues compared to him. And we can say this about other characters with proven high-level superspeed. Yet they get tagged. Does that make their adversaries somehow on their level of speed ? No. Thus why we have the ..

..rules.

Have we seen fight at high-level speed ? No. Does he have the kind of feats backing up the fact that he can ? No. Simple.

We've seen him handle oppnents who fight at light-speed, so he will have no trouble with Diana who lacks the strength to hurt him, and the durablility to survive his attacks.

I like how you're acting like I've infringed the rule you quoted, when anybody with a modicum of intelligence would be able to see that I've done nothing of the sort. I provided flawless logic and amazing reasoning.

Hulk has every conceivable edge, except speed which is essentially irrelevant.

Hulk wins.

Originally posted by Thorion
It's PIS regardless of the fact that every single FTL opponent Hulk has gone up against has found their speed completely negated by Hulk's dynamic strength.

If it happens enough times, it's 100% legit.

How could strength negate speed, when he couldn't apply that in battle, since his opponent, in this case Diana, would just dance around him ?

You should listen to my advice, and go back tot he place where this kind of idiocies are acceptable.

Lulz

Originally posted by Philosophía
How could strength negate speed, when he couldn't apply that in battle, since his opponent, in this case Diana, would just dance around him ?

You should listen to my advice, and go back tot he place where this kind of idiocies are acceptable.

The proof is in the material. No opponent, regardless of level of speed has used it effectively against the Hulk.

You should listen to my advice, and drop an issue when it's clear you are wrong, and the inferior debator.

Originally posted by Thorion
We've seen him handle oppnents who fight at light-speed, so he will have no trouble with Diana who lacks the strength to hurt him, and the durablility to survive his attacks.

I like how you're acting like I've infringed the rule you quoted, when abybody with a modicum of intelligence would be able to see that I've done nothing of the sort. [b]I provided flawless logic and amazing reasoning.

Hulk has every conceivable edge, excpet speed which is all but irrelevant.

Hulk wins. [/B]

When has Hulk handled an opponent who was proven to be fighting him at lighspeed ? She's hurt Superman, she'll hurt Hulk. Not that she'd need more than her lasso anyway. Her durability is irrelevant since Hulk won't tag her.

Lulz at the bolded part.

By this point, I think this is intentional trolling.

Originally posted by Thorion
It's PIS regardless of the fact that every single FTL opponent Hulk has gone up against has found their speed completely negated by Hulk's dynamic strength.

Yep, which is why it's ignored here.

Originally posted by Thorion
If it happens enough times, it's 100% legit.

Nope. Not here.

Originally posted by Thorion
I also like how you completely ignored my previous point. Quote a rule which I've infringed or admit that you were throwing around baseless accusations like people who've lost a debate commonly do.

I'm ignoring you because you're not following the KMC rules.

If you were, I'd be happy to debate with you.

Since you're not, you're not worth my time.

Again, feel free to PM the moderator if you don't like the rules.

Though if this were SuperHeroChat where speed is ignored and DC characters are thus neutered, than yes I'd agree Diana loses under their rules.

But on sites like KMC or CBR, Hulk loses.

Originally posted by Philosophía

By this point, I think this is intentional trolling.

Most likely, when I used to be active, they came and went to troll the forum before they were banned.

Originally posted by Thorion
The proof is in the material. No opponent, regardless of level of speed has used it effectively against the Hulk.

You should listen to my advice, and drop an issue when it's clear you are wrong, and the inferior debator.

That's because they rarely use it. When has Hulk fought somebody at Wonder Woman's level of superspeed ? Just because he fights somebody with proven superspeed, yet no proof of them using it fully in the fight, doesn't mean he's suddenly a hell of a speedster himself.

Quite the debater you are there.

I don't think that Wolverine or Hulk could do anything against WW, who is fast enough to take them out in seconds. Spiderman with his Spidersenses wouldn't last much longer. The only problem I see is GR. I have to get more intel on him. But I lean towards WW.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
Exactly right. Or is this one of those fights just like in the comics where we ignore the abilities of one of the characters? In this case, ignore WW's speed. You know, the same way they ignore Superman's speed in a lot of his comic fights because there would be no fight if they didn't ignore his speed.

Isn't the premise here that everyone fights at optimal level and we don't ignore their powers?

Originally posted by Philosophía
When has Hulk handled an opponent who was proven to be fighting him at lighspeed ? She's hurt Superman, she'll hurt Hulk. Not that she'd need more than her lasso anyway. Her durability is irrelevant since Hulk won't tag her.

Lulz at the bolded part.

By this point, I think this is intentional trolling.

Thor.

Hulk's more durable than Superman, and has the best healing factor in comics. Hulk can tag her with ease, and as soon as he does, she'll end up KO-ed. Like she always does.

It's obvious that your childish tactics are ineffective which is why you're screaming troll. It might work with other people, but not with somebody of my mental acumen.

Originally posted by Philosophía
That's because they rarely use it. When has Hulk fought somebody at Wonder Woman's level of superspeed ? Just because he fights somebody with proven superspeed, yet no proof of them using it fully in the fight, doesn't mean he's suddenly a hell of a speedster himself.

Quite the debater you are there.

No, Thor has established combat-speed feats. Give me a reference in which Diana is fighting at FTL, or admit that you're wrong.

Hulk isn't more durable than Superman 😐

Originally posted by Draco69
Most likely, when I used to be active, they came and went to troll the forum before they were banned.

Yes, I waited two years to troll this place on behalf of a board I haven't posted at for 3 years. Very rational.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Hulk isn't more durable than Superman 😐

No, he is.