Wonder Woman (Diana) vs Fantastic Four (Spider-man, Wolverine, Ghost Rider, Hulk)

Originally posted by SupremeMan
So, every tme the Hulk goes up against a super speed character, the writer ignores their speed so the Hulk can win? Isn't that the very definition of PIS, a character fighting beneath their abilties so the other guy can win? Are you saying the Hulk has some sort of speed negating power? Then Captain Cold and a zillion others that fight the Flash have that power too. You are effectively arguing that WW has to fight below her abilities to lose.

No the writer doesn't ignore it.

Hulk triumphs adversity like he always does.

Originally posted by Draco69
Oh, lord another one?

Why do they always invade here? And they ignore the forum rules.

At times like these I almost wish we had CBR moderators. They ban you on the spot if you say something they don't like.

Yeah it is a bit overdone there but at least they don't allow these PIS arguments where characters have their abiltiies ignored. This thing of ignoring WW's speed would never be allowed.

Originally posted by Thorion
No the writer doesn't ignore it.

Hulk triumphs adversity like he always does.

WW triumphs because she overcomes adversity like she always does and, oh yeah, because she's a gazillion times faster.

The only intellectual superiority you are proving here is that you can sucker people into arguing with you. Your argument is "The Hulk wins because I say so and we brush aside WW's speed because I feel like it so she's not fighting at her optimal abilities."

Your secondary argument is, "I'll take examples of WW at less than her best when she doesn't use her speed instead of following the rules that everybody fights at their best."

You are blatantly ignoring the rules and contriving the fight.

Nobody's ignoring it. If you were able to comprehend my posts, I essentially said that Hulk has had no trouble against opponents with speed comaprable to WW, which is a factually-sound statement.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
WW triumphs because she overcomes adversity like she always does and, oh yeah, because she's a gazillion times faster.

The only intellectual superiority you are proving here is that you can sucker people into arguing with you. Your argument is "The Hulk wins because I say so and we brush aside WW's speed because I feel like it so she's not fighting at her optimal abilities."

Your secondary argument is, "I'll take examples of WW at less than her best when she doesn't use her speed instead of following the rules that everybody fights at their best."

You are blatantly ignoring the rules and contriving the fight.

That's her only advantage. Hulk is stronger, Hulk has superior durability and the ability to come back from anything she does.

If we go by your stupid criteria, it'd be an eternal stalemate.

Originally posted by Thorion
Nobody's ignoring it. If you were able to comprehend my posts, I essentially said that Hulk has had no trouble against opponents with speed comaprable to WW, which is a factually-sound statement.

Except that they are not using the speed in their fights with the Hulk. Its equivalent to people with no serious speed displays tagging the Flash.
He seems to slow down or they suddenly get faster in spie of never having any displays of speed anywhere else except then.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
So, every tme the Hulk goes up against a super speed character, the writer ignores their speed so the Hulk can win? Isn't that the very definition of PIS, a character fighting beneath their abilties so the other guy can win? Are you saying the Hulk has some sort of speed negating power? Then Captain Cold and a zillion others that fight the Flash have that power too. You are effectively arguing that WW has to fight below her abilities to lose.

It's more that Marvel's speedsters aren't very popular. If spider-man fights Hulk he dances round Hulk never being hit. Gladiator who is millions of times faster on the other hand will decide to block Hulk's fist with his face.

Hulk fans won't read a issue of hulk that has Gladiator or hyperion hitting him a thousand times in the face and then throwing him into the sun, anymore than they'd be happy if Thor simply sent him to different dimension.

Originally posted by Thorion
Really says a lot about the board when the moderators have to troll, rather than address the issue at hand.

If you have nothing to contribute to the discussion, don't post. It's as simple as that.

Oh, no he didn't!

Lord Jesus.

Shall we bet how long it takes for him to get banned?

Hmm. He's already pissed off Badabing.

Rauol will no doubt come about here eventually.

I'd give him, two days, tops?

Anyone else?

Originally posted by Thorion
That's her only advantage. Hulk is stronger, Hulk has superior durability and the ability to come back from anything she does.

If we go by your stupid criteria, it'd be an eternal stalemate.

If your intelligence was remotely on the level of your ego about it, you'd see what a jerk you are. If we went by the criteria that is NOT my criteria but the actual rules, the fight would be over in a second because not even the Hulk, at his actual speed that he really has in the comics, could take the near infinite near lightspeed number of punches WW could deliver in a second IF you weren't playing this stupid game of ignoring her abilities.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
Except that they are not using the speed in their fights with the Hulk. Its equivalent to people with no serious speed displays tagging the Flash.
He seems to slow down or they suddenly get faster in spie of never having any displays of speed anywhere else except then.

Wonder Woman has never displayed FTL combat speed. I'd wager that in a fight, Spider-Man would be faster than her.

Hulk will have no problems tagging he.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
If your intelligence was remotely on the level of your ego about it, you'd see what a jerk you are. If we went by the criteria that is NOT my criteria but the actual rules, the fight would be over in a second because not even the Hulk, at his actual speed that he really has in the comics, could take the near infinite near lightspeed number of punches WW could deliver in a second IF you weren't playing this stupid game of ignoring her abilities.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
If your intelligence was remotely on the level of your ego about it, you'd see what a jerk you are. If we went by the criteria that is NOT my criteria but the actual rules, the fight would be over in a second because not even the Hulk, at his actual speed that he really has in the comics, could take the near infinite near lightspeed number of punches WW could deliver in a second IF you weren't playing this stupid game of ignoring her abilities.

When has WW shown the ability to fight at FTL speeds?

Oh, right. Never.

Combat speed /= Travel speed.

Originally posted by Thorion
Wonder Woman has never displayed FTL combat speed. I'd wager that in a fight, Spider-Man would be faster than her.

Hulk will have no problems tagging he.

I really have the believe this is trolling. No one with any comicbook knowledge could think that.

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
I really have the believe this is trolling. No one with any comicbook knowledge could think that.

Spider-Man actually has combat-speed feats.
WW doesn't.

Yeah that right there is trolling.

Originally posted by Thorion
Wonder Woman has never displayed FTL combat speed. I'd wager that in a fight, Spider-Man would be faster than her.

Hulk will have no problems tagging he.

She has used super speed in fights just as Superman has. More often the speed is ignored because the results would be obvious if it wasn't ignored- a boring fight that was instantly over.

That is not the way we debate here. We do not ignore characters' abilities. You refuse to abide by that and so there is no use debating because there is no debate. There is just you ignoring her speed.

Originally posted by SupremeMan
She has used super speed in fights just as Superman has. More often the speed is ignored because the results would be obvious if it wasn't ignored- a boring fight that was instantly over.

That is not the way we debate here. We do not ignore characters' abilities. You refuse to abide by that and so there is no use debating because there is no debate. There is just you ignoring her speed.

Issue number/scan.

If it does not specify that she is using super speed during the fight, I see nothing that means she is fighting at a higher speed than, say, Batman.

Okay, I have to admit the whole wonder woman is slower than spider-man angle is quite amusing. Finally going for the wonder woman has no superspeed angle, genius! It is so easy to prove wrong and yet still he goes for it. Daring!

Originally posted by Galvaclaw
Okay, I have to admit the whole wonder woman is slower than spider-man angle is quite amusing. Finally going for the wonder woman has no superspeed angle, genius! It is so easy to prove wrong and yet still he goes for it. Daring!

Funny how you still haven't done so.

Whats the point? We all know Wonder woman has superspeed, I imagine you do too, trolling aside.

Lets look at this quote:

If it does not specify that she is using super speed during the fight, I see nothing that means she is fighting at a higher speed than, say, Batman.

You're not going to get this. Comics don't work like that and haven't since stan lee stopped writing. By this criteria the flash would very few speed feats.