Thanos+I.G. vs Your DCU Dirty Dozen

Originally posted by Mr Master
The question is, what makes them supreme beings?

Is Yahweh = to or > than Elaine?

Just a thought, what do you think Eny?

My understand while I was reading the Lucifer storyline was that Elaine took Yahweh's position in DC's cosmological scheme of things. And whether or not Yahweh lost all that power to her or whether he still retains it is irrelevant now because he's outside of his own creation and thus a non-factor. Since Elaine is Supreme now within Creation, even if Yahweh did return to it (assuming that he even could), I don't think he would be more powerful than or be able to usurp her. I see the Elaine/Yahweh thing kind of like the TOAA/Thanos w/ HOTU thing.

I'd say that more or less The Source = Eternity. And DC has quite a few beings that seem superior to or at the very least on par with The Source. So the question becomes, without a power cap on this thread, how many nigh-Supreme Beings can Thanos beat at once? Definitely not anywhere near twelve of them, IMO. Michael, Lucifer, The Source, Empowered Spectre, Mxy, COIE AM, et cetera. Seems like way too much power to overcome at once.

...Then again, if you look at what even the novice Nebula did with it, Starlin made it sound like it was basically inevitable that she'd win, eventually, once she adjusted to the power. And in the mean time, she was invulnerable enough to not have any problems taking hits from the cosmic pantheon arrayed against her. And then you have Warlock's example and him throwing a temper tantrum....

It's just a lot of power to imagine him overcoming. Especially fighting them all at once.

Your long, scanless post angers me.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Who says LT can't, Lt could have but the destruction wasn't worth it. Do you honestly think IG > LT? 😕

BTW Mxy WF > LT, yep.

Originally posted by Galan007
Thanos only took over a universe with the IG. Nothing more. Not gonna credit him with something he never came close to doing.

Odin affected the multiverse,but is nothing when it comes to the ig. People shouldn't be so fixated on multiversal and universal.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Your long, scanless post angers me.

Was it wrong of me to giggle at this? It was like, 3 short paragraphs. Chill pills, man. Take 'em. Or wear a trench coat and listen to Marilyn Manson. I dunno.

😛

It was wrong of you to take it seriously.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
It was wrong of you to take it seriously.

But I didn't. 🙁

Knowsbleed SMASH!?!?

Knowsbleed KILL!!!!

If Odin can shake the multiverse, but can't hurt a Celestial, I would just call it crappy and inconsistent writing. And how powerful characters are can vary immensely, depending on the writer. Anyone can tell you that.

Edit: The Celestials were thematically created with the intention of being more powerful than the established elder pantheons. So, if Odin was actually shown as being as powerful as he sometimes has, then it would ruin the point of the story.

Originally posted by quanchi112

What does that have to do with anything?

Especially when we know it's a Marvel canon fact that
616 Eternity is a single Universe that's literally the core of the Omniverse,
and therefore embodies all that is Marvel's space/time.

616 Eternity is like the White Crown Phoenix, or Spectre Prime,
there are many aspects of each, but one ultimate incarnation.

That's what had certain cats confused, they didn't know that truth.

But if anyone decides to challenge that truth,
they can go ahead and explain how 616 Eternity does this:

"Eternity ... When he raises a Hand
which holds whole universeS withIN it,
Past Present and Future"

✅

If he's nothing but the power of a single universe. 😬

Anytime anyone tells you different Quan,
just bust out that scan on em to shut them down,
or you can use one of the other on panel 100% canon depictions of 616 Eternity,
I posted in the previous page.

wtf happen to this thread?

It moved away from DC winning.

Originally posted by Enyalus

My understand while I was reading the Lucifer storyline was that Elaine took Yahweh's position in DC's cosmological scheme of things. And whether or not Yahweh lost all that power to her or whether he still retains it is irrelevant now because he's outside of his own creation and thus a non-factor. Since Elaine is Supreme now within Creation, even if Yahweh did return to it (assuming that he even could), I don't think he would be more powerful than or be able to usurp her.

Originally posted by Enyalus

I see the Elaine/Yahweh thing kind of like the TOAA/Thanos w/ HOTU thing.

Remember, Thanos/THOTI & everything else withIN Creation (Omniverse)
is nothing but ink on pieces of paper to TOAA.

THOTI is what TOAA's power would be
if he placed himself withIN creation as a character.

Originally posted by Enyalus

I'd say that more or less The Source = Eternity.
And DC has quite a few beings that seem superior to or at the very least on par with The Source..

Whoever is above the Source though, is a DC issue.

Originally posted by Enyalus

So the question becomes, without a power cap on this thread, how many nigh-Supreme Beings can Thanos beat at once? Definitely not anywhere near twelve of them, IMO. Michael, Lucifer, The Source, Empowered Spectre, Mxy, COIE AM, et cetera. Seems like way too much power to overcome at once.

Originally posted by Enyalus

...Then again, if you look at what even the novice Nebula did with it, Starlin made it sound like it was basically inevitable that she'd win, eventually, once she adjusted to the power. And in the mean time, she was invulnerable enough to not have any problems taking hits from the cosmic pantheon arrayed against her. And then you have Warlock's example and him throwing a temper tantrum....

Originally posted by Enyalus

...It's just a lot of power to imagine him overcoming.
Especially fighting them all at once.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Hmm, well then Yahweh would be Elaine's creator,
manipulator and the reason behing her power/existence/purpose,
and thus her God and master as well.

Remember, Thanos/THOTI & everything else withIN Creation (Omniverse)
is nothing but ink on pieces of paper to TOAA.

THOTI is what TOAA's power would be
if he placed himself withIN creation as a character.

That's why I said 'kind of.' Because it would seem that DC's Presence/Yahweh and Marvel's TOAA have different powers. Yahweh is still shaped by external forces (which he admits to on panel.) He's simply GOD inside the DC comics. And he allowed Elaine to take over his position. So that makes her GOD inside the DCU. Whereas TOAA plays the role of GOD and Supreme Being (writer) for Marvel. In DC that looks like it would be someone else. Like Mxy visiting Mike Carlin and being the Supreme Being in that story.

So, yeah. That's my two-cents on the matter.

Excellent discussion guys 👆

Originally posted by Enyalus
That's why I said 'kind of.' Because it would seem that DC's Presence/Yahweh and Marvel's TOAA have different powers. Yahweh is still shaped by external forces (which he admits to on panel.) He's simply GOD inside the DC comics. And he allowed Elaine to take over his position. So that makes her GOD inside the DCU. Whereas TOAA plays the role of GOD and Supreme Being (writer) for Marvel. In DC that looks like it would be someone else. Like Mxy visiting Mike Carlin and being the Supreme Being in that story.

So, yeah. That's my two-cents on the matter.

Originally posted by Enyalus
That's why I said 'kind of.' Because it would seem that DC's Presence/Yahweh and Marvel's TOAA have different powers. Yahweh is still shaped by external forces (which he admits to on panel.) He's simply GOD inside the DC comics. And he allowed Elaine to take over his position. So that makes her GOD inside the DCU. Whereas TOAA plays the role of GOD and Supreme Being (writer) for Marvel. In DC that looks like it would be someone else. Like Mxy visiting Mike Carlin and being the Supreme Being in that story.

So, yeah. That's my two-cents on the matter.

Originally posted by fangirl101
where ever did u get the idea that elaine took the presences place? Lulz

The Presence is Yahweh, Yahweh is The Presence. Or was, 'til Elaine took his place. Vertigo and DC both have the Shining City, in the Lucifer series (Vertigo) Lucifer is shown beyond the Source (DC.) The Spectre (DC) was shown being bitchslapped by Michael (Vertigo.) Dream of the Endless (Vertigo) has made appearances in JLA and other DC books. Superman, Batman, Darkseid, etc, have made appearances in Sandman (Vertigo.) And during the Lucifer series (Vertigo) they call Yahweh The Presence (DC) at two points.

So yes. The God of Vertigo is the same God of DC. Which is The Presence/Yahweh...now Elaine.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Elaine became the GOD of the whole DCU? 😱

Yeah. You read that, didn't you? She overtook all of Yahweh's Creation plus Lucy's.

Originally posted by Enyalus
The Presence is Yahweh, Yahweh is The Presence. Or was, 'til Elaine took his place. Vertigo and DC both have the Shining City, in the Lucifer series (Vertigo) Lucifer is shown beyond the Source (DC.) The Spectre (DC) was shown being bitchslapped by Michael (Vertigo.) Dream of the Endless (Vertigo) has made appearances in JLA and other DC books. Superman, Batman, Darkseid, etc, have made appearances in Sandman (Vertigo.) And during the Lucifer series (Vertigo) they call Yahweh The Presence (DC) at two points.

So yes. The God of Vertigo is the same God of DC. Which is The Presence/Yahweh...now Elaine.

Yeah. You read that, didn't you? She overtook all of Yahweh's Creation plus Lucy's.

Originally posted by fangirl101
The presence has been in stories since elaine took over in Vertigo.

How does that supposedly refute the perfectly logical claim that Elaine is the new Presence?