Kenshiro Souther Toki Rei and Raoh Vs konoha and the Akatsuki

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Kento The last Hokage

Yea..but I you already quoted Cs and said HNK stomp timeskip and pre-TS so I thought you were thinkin I agreed.

Wei Phoenix One-Eyed Dragon Of Oshu
Originally posted by Kento
Yea..but I you already quoted Cs and said HNK stomp timeskip and pre-TS so I thought you were thinkin I agreed.

Oh no, I didn't see that part when I first quoted him so I addressed it in the second one. just a little misunderstanding.

Kento The last Hokage

Oops. Sorry then.

Konoha/Akatsuki still win. After all Lee has something almost comparable to Ken's coma fighting. He was up and ready to fight while being unconcious and having most of his body broken he was just stopped by Gai. 😛

Wei Phoenix One-Eyed Dragon Of Oshu

But Lee is still susceptible to Hokuto Shinken if this is a fight to the death or if Lee tries to kill him. Can he assimilate his opponent's moves and style like Ken? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Naru fan but he is one of the only 4 characters that I like, but Ken has surpassed him.

kaleyboy Junior Member

No matter how fast lee/Naruto/whomever are, Kenshiro can teleport instantly and 100 crack fist all over their ass. Ken would win no matter the opponent.

Jugglenaut Kain fanboys? ROFL

Originally posted by Csdabest

Pein could very well solo this whole fight. just like sasuke could. Hell naruto would solo.

😆

Hypersonic > Supersonic.
Hell, Kenshiro doesn't even need to kill people if he wants. Zusetsu/Teishin/Fūgan points do the trick.

Even if you tried to handicap them with equal speed, Musou Tensei disagrees.

Kento The last Hokage

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
But Lee is still susceptible to Hokuto Shinken if this is a fight to the death or if Lee tries to kill him. Can he assimilate his opponent's moves and style like Ken? Don't get me wrong, I'm not a Naru fan but he is one of the only 4 characters that I like, but Ken has surpassed him.
I was just using your Ken fought in a coma therefore he's better than sharingan logic by using Rock Lee who has done something of the same and he's still powerless when it comes to a wielder of the full-powered sharingan. Wasn't talking about Speed. Though Rock Lee may have been fast for a genin back in the day his speed has been surpassed by many and was always surpassed by Chunnin and Jounin.

Still nobody in HNK has anyway to counter even the most basic of genjutsu, and they are up against four masters of genjutsu and a whole village that knows basic genjutsu.

😛 And there's no Lynn around this time to save Ken from being paralyzed.

kaleyboy Junior Member

Originally posted by Kento
Still nobody in HNK has anyway to counter even the most basic of genjutsu, and they are up against four masters of genjutsu and a whole village that knows basic genjutsu.

😛 And there's no Lynn around this time to save Ken from being paralyzed.


You've got it quite backwards: there is no genjitsu to counter Hokuto Shinken, the ultimate assassination style. Roah or Kaio alone could wipe out any mere ninja and Kenshiro tops even those two. Here it is in simple math: Naruto + Ken = PWND!

Kento The last Hokage

Originally posted by kaleyboy
You've got it quite backwards: there is no genjitsu to counter Hokuto Shinken, the ultimate assassination style. Roah or Kaio alone could wipe out any mere ninja and Kenshiro tops even those two. Here it is in simple math: Naruto + Ken = PWND!
Sure there is..Any genjutsu can counter Hokuto Shinken. Since Hokuto Shinken has to hit their opponents and they won't be hitting anything. Automatic counter.

kaleyboy Junior Member

Originally posted by Kento Automatic counter.

Sounds like you've played too many video games; a counter comes AFTER an attack, by which time "you're already dead" A counter would not be possible.

Kento The last Hokage

But it counters the style itself. They have to at least know where the person they are attacking is to use it since they do have long range attacks. Genjutsu would keep them from knowing where anything is therefore nullifying their style.

kaleyboy Junior Member

Sorry, but no good. Ken is able to fight whilst being totally blind, as he did in the series. He is able to sense the presence of enemies so no jutsu is gonna fool him. You cannot defeat HNK!

Kento The last Hokage

But has he ever fought against something that was completely effecting all of his senses? Which is what genjutsu does. Not to mention Itachi and Sasuke can just paralyze him with a genjutsu which he won't break out of.

kaleyboy Junior Member

Originally posted by Kento
But has he ever fought against something that was completely effecting all of his senses?

What are they gonna do, force feed him LSD? Nothing could affect all Ken's senses. By the time you blind him, he hears you and kills you. Deafen him, he sees you and kills you, etc. No big punch or kick, just a slight touch of your pressure point and you're dead. As for freezing him, Ken would teleport right behind them and kill them. Remember, he has hyper-kinettic vision. Fast enough to see a bullet coming and dodge it. By the time your guys did their hand job mojo-jojos, they'd already be dead.

Kento The last Hokage

Originally posted by kaleyboy
What are they gonna do, force feed him LSD? Nothing could affect all Ken's senses. By the time you blind him, he hears you and kills you. Deafen him, he sees you and kills you, etc. No big punch or kick, just a slight touch of your pressure point and you're dead. As for freezing him, Ken would teleport right behind them and kill them. Remember, he has hyper-kinettic vision. Fast enough to see a bullet coming and dodge it. By the time your guys did their hand job mojo-jojos, they'd already be dead.
To bad it's got nothing to do with hand signs. Sharingan works just by looking. And genjutsu effects all the senses at once not one then another.

And um..how is he going to do move when he can't even move because he's caught in a paralyzing justu?

kaleyboy Junior Member

He would just teleport away, jutsu wears off, teleport back, kill your guys ass. His ability to teleport requires no physical movement, just a thought and it happens. Remember what you're dealing with here, not some noob in training who wants to be strong to protect people, he IS the successor of Hokuto Shinken, he has reached the pinnacle of his power. your guys are still mostly training. Ken would wipe his nose with your hokage.

Kento The last Hokage

And then he'd be leaving the battle. Self-BFR.

Itachi isn't training, Sasuke's not training, Madara isn't training, Kakashi isn't in training, Kurenai isn't training. Soo how does that prove anything? All the Jounin aren't in training and know genjutsu also. Heck most of the Rookie 9 are out of training and chunnin themselves. Ken being the successor doesn't mean anything. Ken would beat any of the teams by themselves sure but this is a whole lot more with a whole lot more abilities.

kaleyboy Junior Member

Originally posted by Kento
Self-BFR.

What does that mean? My point is that NONE of the jutsu would be strong enough to kill Ken. See, that's where your guys have the problem, they relie solely on their jutsu, except maybe Lee. They can't kick it without their special moves, whereas Ken is plenty powerful enough to blow almost anyone away with just his fighting ability, without needing to use the pressure points.

Wei Phoenix One-Eyed Dragon Of Oshu

Originally posted by Kento
I was just using your Ken fought in a coma therefore he's better than sharingan logic by using Rock Lee who has done something of the same and he's still powerless when it comes to a wielder of the full-powered sharingan. Wasn't talking about Speed. Though Rock Lee may have been fast for a genin back in the day his speed has been surpassed by many and was always surpassed by Chunnin and Jounin.

Still nobody in HNK has anyway to counter even the most basic of genjutsu, and they are up against four masters of genjutsu and a whole village that knows basic genjutsu.

😛 And there's no Lynn around this time to save Ken from being paralyzed.

Lee fighting while in a coma is not Ken fighting in a coma, Ken is way more skilled than him and he would more than likely do way better than Lee did.

We've seen him fight against paralyzation before I don't see why that won't work again. Lynn wasn't what made him move, she only told him Mamiya was in danger. Fire, electricity, tons of rock, nor poison can stop Hokuto Shinken. Also how are they going to get a genjutsu off when a healthy Toki is by far faster than all of them? What are they going to do when the HNK brothers explodes their fists?

Kento The last Hokage

Originally posted by kaleyboy
What does that mean? My point is that NONE of the jutsu would be strong enough to kill Ken. See, that's where your guys have the problem, they relie solely on their jutsu, except maybe Lee. They can't kick it without their special moves, whereas Ken is plenty powerful enough to blow almost anyone away with just his fighting ability, without needing to use the pressure points.
It means he does a self battle field removal taking him out of the fight.

Um a whole lot of ninja can fight without using jutsu. Just like Ken can fight without his Hokuto SHinken but why would that matter as just like Ken they use their jutsu because they can.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Lee fighting while in a coma is not Ken fighting in a coma, Ken is way more skilled than him and he would more than likely do way better than Lee did.

We've seen him fight against paralyzation before I don't see why that won't work again. Lynn wasn't what made him move, she only told him Mamiya was in danger. Fire, electricity, tons of rock, nor poison can stop Hokuto Shinken. Also how are they going to get a genjutsu off when a healthy Toki is by far faster than all of them? What are they going to do when the HNK brothers explodes their fists?

It's the exact same thing. Lee was able to do what Ken did. That's not a measure of power at all.

We see him fight off a Hokuto pressure point move. Which is completely different. And Ken even says strength didn't break the hold it was Lynn.