As someone on another forum pointed out (Dyhalto on HoM) the fights in naruto go on for many episodes, yet Ken settles all his within one, sometimes half an episode. Only the major boss battles, like against Roah, Souther, etc, go on longer. That alone should tell us just who is the srongest fighter - Kenshiro.
I can't believe nobody's said this yet: Does ANYBODY here remember God's Army? In the first season, the Colonel could predict Kenshiro's movements, and he STILL kicked his ass. Kenshiro is incredibly fast. He moves so fast, it's like he's teleporting. Here's some stuff from All About the Man:
Head Volume = 59cm
Hearing Ability = He can hear someone's whispering from 2km away
Height = 185cm
Eyesight = He can see the aura of a living creature in pitch black darkness
Kinetic Vision = He can intercept a quick arrow the moment it is shot
Sense of Smell = About as good as a hound
Body Characteristics = His index and middle fingers are forged by doing two finger handstands in order to better pierce his opponent's vital points
Sense of Taste = Has a sensitivity that allows him to detect poisoned food and such.
Voice = Can mimic many sounds, including animal cries.
Breathing Capacity = 8700 c.c.
Grip = Unmeasurable
Arm Strength = Unmeasurable
Walking Ability = Unmeasurable
Strength of His Back = Unmeasurable
Muscle Strength = Can repel the bullet of a small caliber gun when its strained
Leg Speed = Can move 100m in 9 seconds in steps
Fist Speed = While performing the Hundred Crack Fist, he throw 50 punches in three seconds
Jump Strength = 9m a step
Punching Strength = He can divide a rock that has a 5m of thickness
Kick Strength = He can sent a 200kg man flying 25m into the air
Diving Time = 53 minutes
Resistance to Poison = Can endure five times the dose of Potassium Cyanide required to kill an ordinary man
Fasting Resistance = His body can remain strong by going three months without eating
Sleep Resistance = He can spent an entire week without sleeping
Memory Capacity = He can memorize up to 50,000 words by reading them once.
Birthdate = 1970s (or 20 or so years before the Nuclear War)
Blood Type = Unknown
Favorite Techniques = In addition to Hokuto Shinken, he can use techniques from the 108 sects of Nanto
Favorite Weapons = Nunchaku, six-sectioned staffs, throwing knives and such
Special Skills = He has an internal biological clock in his body with a margin of error of more than three seconds in a month
License = Initiated into the secrets of Hokuto Shinken passed from one master to one student
Habit = He cracks his fingers before a fight
Favorite Clothes = Strong leather jeans that allows him to move easily
Clinical History = None
Academic Background = He was well-versed in the super specialized education he received from Ryuken, especially in the field of Chinese medicines
I took out some stuff, like arm width, waist, but this is everything important. This is just Kenshiro. What if he had Rei, Toki, or Souther on his side?
Originally posted by MutoughTo simplify, KENSHIRO PWNS NARUTO.
I can't believe nobody's said this yet: Does ANYBODY here remember God's Army? In the first season, the Colonel could predict Kenshiro's movements, and he STILL kicked his ass. Kenshiro is incredibly fast. He moves so fast, it's like he's teleporting. Here's some stuff from All About the Man:Head Volume = 59cm
Hearing Ability = He can hear someone's whispering from 2km away
Height = 185cm
Eyesight = He can see the aura of a living creature in pitch black darkness
Kinetic Vision = He can intercept a quick arrow the moment it is shot
Sense of Smell = About as good as a hound
Body Characteristics = His index and middle fingers are forged by doing two finger handstands in order to better pierce his opponent's vital points
Sense of Taste = Has a sensitivity that allows him to detect poisoned food and such.
Voice = Can mimic many sounds, including animal cries.
Breathing Capacity = 8700 c.c.
Grip = Unmeasurable
Arm Strength = Unmeasurable
Walking Ability = Unmeasurable
Strength of His Back = Unmeasurable
Muscle Strength = Can repel the bullet of a small caliber gun when its strained
Leg Speed = Can move 100m in 9 seconds in steps
Fist Speed = While performing the Hundred Crack Fist, he throw 50 punches in three seconds
Jump Strength = 9m a step
Punching Strength = He can divide a rock that has a 5m of thickness
Kick Strength = He can sent a 200kg man flying 25m into the air
Diving Time = 53 minutes
Resistance to Poison = Can endure five times the dose of Potassium Cyanide required to kill an ordinary man
Fasting Resistance = His body can remain strong by going three months without eating
Sleep Resistance = He can spent an entire week without sleeping
Memory Capacity = He can memorize up to 50,000 words by reading them once.
Birthdate = 1970s (or 20 or so years before the Nuclear War)
Blood Type = Unknown
Favorite Techniques = In addition to Hokuto Shinken, he can use techniques from the 108 sects of Nanto
Favorite Weapons = Nunchaku, six-sectioned staffs, throwing knives and such
Special Skills = He has an internal biological clock in his body with a margin of error of more than three seconds in a month
License = Initiated into the secrets of Hokuto Shinken passed from one master to one student
Habit = He cracks his fingers before a fight
Favorite Clothes = Strong leather jeans that allows him to move easily
Clinical History = None
Academic Background = He was well-versed in the super specialized education he received from Ryuken, especially in the field of Chinese medicinesI took out some stuff, like arm width, waist, but this is everything important. This is just Kenshiro. What if he had Rei, Toki, or Souther on his side?
Originally posted by MutoughHence why I haven't brought up the fact Three Tomoe predicts movement...
I can't believe nobody's said this yet: Does ANYBODY here remember God's Army? In the first season, the Colonel could predict Kenshiro's movements, and he STILL kicked his ass. Kenshiro is incredibly fast. He moves so fast, it's like he's teleporting.
And even Sasuke has moved so fast it looked like he teleported back during the second Chunnin exam. And all the Jounin with probably the exception of Kurenai since she's a genjutsu user are all faster than Cursed Seal Sasuke during the Chunnin Exam.
Originally posted by Kento
Hence why I haven't brought up the fact Three Tomoe predicts movement...And even Sasuke has moved so fast it looked like he teleported back during the second Chunnin exam. And all the Jounin with probably the exception of Kurenai since she's a genjutsu user are all faster than Cursed Seal Sasuke during the Chunnin Exam.
Originally posted by MutoughUm...Yea I was mentioning how the sharingan catches you in a genjutsu as soon as it makes eye contact. Which is completely different than the Three Tomoe Sharingan predicting movement. I never said they would win because sharingan predicts movement I said Konoha/Akatsuki win because genjutsu.
But you were mentioning Sharingan, which I THINK works very similarly. If not, fill me in.
Originally posted by Kento
It means he does a self battle field removal taking him out of the fight.Um a whole lot of ninja can fight without using jutsu. Just like Ken can fight without his Hokuto SHinken but why would that matter as just like Ken they use their jutsu because they can.
It's the exact same thing. Lee was able to do what Ken did. That's not a measure of power at all.
We see him fight off a Hokuto pressure point move. Which is completely different. And Ken even says strength didn't break the hold it was Lynn.
Kind of different seeing as Ken was able to do more than just move while in a coma. He dispelled Kaioh's magic. Kenshiro is also stronger than Lee and wouldn't have his bones broken. Fighting in a coma is not a measure of power, but skill.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixAnd Lee was able to stand while having broken legs still ready to fight which is more impressivr. And Lee isn't the most skilled fighter in Naruto and was still able to do that. Ken isn't the only person to do that. Being able to stand and fight while being unconscious doesn't make him above the sharingan. And it's also not like he got right up after he was put into a coma. It took a long while while Lee was up nearly instantly.
Kind of different seeing as Ken was able to do more than just move while in a coma. He dispelled Kaioh's magic. Kenshiro is also stronger than Lee and wouldn't have his bones broken. Fighting in a coma is not a measure of power, but skill.
The only reason why it took him so much time to actually do it is because he just learned how to do it. That is when he fully mastered the Musou Tensei. Like I said, stabbing him, torturing him, burning him, electrocuting him, paralyzing him will do nothing to him or his brothers. Ken may have said that it was Lynn that made him move but we all know that isn't true. Lynn's voice is not greater than Hokut Shinken. I still say they blow their fists up.
Originally posted by kaleyboyGreat...where is he going to get a spear? Or trident? Or a weapon to throw? Or get one before he's caught in the sharingan's genjutsu or paralyzed from the sharingan? As soon as the battle would start they'd all be caught in high level genjutsu. Ken doesn't move so fast that he can blitz them before they can even think. He may be faster than them but speed isn't going to help him from being caught in a genjutsu.
As other fellow HoM members here will testify, Ken can throw a spear about 5 miles without even trying. Imagine if he threw a trident, that'd two sharingen eyes put out before they could blink with a third point left unused to symbolize how pointless it is to fight against Hokuto.
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixAnd he never does it again so you can't say it'll take even less time or anything.
The only reason why it took him so much time to actually do it is because he just learned how to do it. That is when he fully mastered the Musou Tensei. Like I said, stabbing him, torturing him, burning him, electrocuting him, paralyzing him will do nothing to him or his brothers. Ken may have said that it was Lynn that made him move but we all know that isn't true. Lynn's voice is not greater than Hokut Shinken. I still say they blow their fists up.
And Lynn has always had a psychic connection to Ken.
Originally posted by Kento
Great...where is he going to get a spear? Or trident? Or a weapon to throw?
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixAll of them are fast enough to blitz anybody in Naruto but not before they can think. Which is why the sharingan genjutsu will work.
Healthy Toki is fast enough to blitz them.He mastered it during his coma. There is no evidence that he can't do it instantly now. Where was it stated that she had a psychic connection to him?
He's heard her cry out when she was mute. He's never shown he can read others minds or anything. He's heard he from far away also, to far for even him to hear her voice.
Originally posted by kaleyboyYea and without genjutsu he'd own the Sharingan users no matter what because he's skilled, and they can only move as fast as their body will let them. Activating the genjutsu though has to do with mind not body which is a lot faster.
Why, the nice animators would draw him one 😄 You think sharingan is all powerful, yet it's only as fast as the person using it, therefore Ken would still be victorious as you freely admit he's faster than all of the sharingan users. Point proven.