Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I call bullshit on his fight with Wade. The guy writing Deadpool has absolutely no idea of how to write him and is butchering the character. Not to mention Deadpool wasn't fighting anywhere near his true capacity.
Originally posted by SamZED
I'm fine with the fight with Daken even though DP lost (after all he had no idea whom he's dealing with but still almost koed him even without both arms) I was talking about his fight with Wolverine earlier. DP was always a match for Logan, which wasn't the case in that fight.
Wolverine dealt with DP pretty easily in the annual fight with the werewolves and in their fight in Cable / Deadpool. The only times Deadpool was more than a match for Wolverine there was outside circumstances that contributed like prep time or Wolverine having a virtually none existent healing factor (except for his fight with Boneclaw Wolverine in the Deadpool series, that was pretty even despite DP being certifiably insane.) Still DP did pretty well against Wolverine in Origins, but it was mostly do to prep, which I guess is your problem.
Originally posted by srankmissingninThat sounds like some biased summaries of DP and Logan fights. But I'll take your word for it as I didn't read all of their fights.
Wolverine dealt with DP pretty easily in the annual fight with the werewolves and in their fight in Cable / Deadpool. The only times Deadpool was more than a match for Wolverine there was outside circumstances that contributed like prep time or Wolverine having a virtually none existent healing factor (except for his fight with Boneclaw Wolverine in the Deadpool series, that was pretty even despite DP being certifiably insane.) Still DP did pretty well against Wolverine in Origins, but it was mostly do to prep, which I guess is your problem.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Wolverine dealt with DP pretty easily in the annual fight with the werewolves and in their fight in Cable / Deadpool. The only times Deadpool was more than a match for Wolverine there was outside circumstances that contributed like prep time or Wolverine having a virtually none existent healing factor (except for his fight with Boneclaw Wolverine in the Deadpool series, that was pretty even despite DP being certifiably insane.) Still DP did pretty well against Wolverine in Origins, but it was mostly do to prep, which I guess is your problem.
PS: Sorry if i've made lotsa mistakes, english is not my first language. Hope you can stil understand what I wrote.
Originally posted by SamZED
That's not true, Srank. DP always was a match for Wolverine and believe me im not biased against Wolverine, i've been a Wolverine fan for my entire life and I only learned that there's a character called Deadpool 2 years ago. In the fight against boneclaw Wolverine DP was a clear winner if you ask me, at first it was pretty even, but then DP did some serious damage to Logan, Wolverine was lying on the ground for 2 pages and couldn't get up. DP turned his back in order to talk to Doc Bong, and they talked for A WHILE. Since that moment he was barely paying attention to Wolverine, even when Logan recovered and attacked him from behind. DP was fighting back while talking to DB and then just stpped fighting, that's when Wolverine gutted him. So if you ask me DP won that fight, he had Wolverine beaten.
Hmmmm
Wolverine had Deadpool dead to rights in that fight midway but stopped to talk to Deadpool. Deadpool did damage him later by breaking his ribs/wrist? but Wolverine definitely had the first serious advantage in that fight.
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6158/dp5ps2.jpg
Originally posted by SamZED
When they both infiltrated Hydra Wolverine did win, that's true, he pinned him alongside the wall with his claws,
He didn't just pin him against the wall but disarmed him of his weapons too.
Originally posted by SamZED
the same thing DP did to Logan with his blade during the werewolves fight.
Originally posted by SamZED
And there was one other fight when DP was trying to save Siryn, it got interrupted. I remember that when I read that fight I was rooting for Wolverine but couldn't help but notice that DP hit him more often than got hit.
Wolverine DID also disarm and pin DP to the ground in a fight before that one as well.
Originally posted by SamZED
So yes, he IS a match for Wolverine. The origins fight is hardly an example, DP was hallucinating most of the time. And even during the battle when they fought h2h they landed the same ammount of hits. That is, untill DP stopped fighting and started dodging in order to tell some stupid joke so he got kicked in the face. Im only upset with that fight because he barely demonstrated his fighting skills, he was all about prep that time.PS: Sorry if i've made lotsa mistakes, english is not my first language. Hope you can stil understand what I wrote.
I dunno, when DP was getting curbed it was while Wolverine was going into berserker mode, when they both demonstrated h2h combat they both exhibited skill... I don't see much wrong with that.
Originally posted by jinzinIts not like Wolverine released Deadpool after he had him on the ground, look at the scan, Deadpool gets up in the next pannel and shoots the guy, so no it wasn't a dead to rights situation, you're making it look like Wolverine could've killed him but stopped to talk. Well, the FIRST serious advantage in the fight was this actually:
HmmmmWolverine had Deadpool dead to rights in that fight midway but stopped to talk to Deadpool. Deadpool did damage him later by breaking his ribs/wrist? but Wolverine definitely had the first serious advantage in that fight.
Originally posted by jinzinCan't argue with that. Wolverine was the clear winner of that fight.He didn't just pin him against the wall but disarmed him of his weapons too.
Originally posted by jinzinThat's an assumption. Wolverine didn't say anything about the werefolf until he got pinned by the blade, so he wasn't really distracted.
Not really, Deadpool did throw his sword through Wolverine's shoulder, but that was presumably after Wolverine got distracted by the hulking werewolf who was standing behind DP... So I'm not sure if that can be a fair assessment of the two engaged in strict combat.
Originally posted by jinzinHe stated that in an issue, previous to the one where they fought, since then he effortlessly beat the crap outta dozen guards and spent plenty of time looking for Deadpool, with his HF its more than enough to clear his head.
Yet again, an unfair assessment. The fight you're talking about took place after Wolverine woke up from being tranquilized. He stated that his vision was blurry, his head was fuzzy and he hurt so bad all he wanted to do was "sit this one out"....
Originally posted by jinzinDeadpool didn't really state anything, he was trying to get on Logan's nerves and made an assumption that Wolverine wouldn't kill him because he's not just some "faceless" guy to him. But Wolverine was clearly going for it.
All that and when he did engage DP, Pool states that Wolverine holds back on him because he's "afraid to pull the trigger" due to their friendship.
Originally posted by jinzinTrue, and even in that fight DP showed a h2h skill comparable to Logan's (which was my original point) The thing is, in that fight Logan was holding back at first and he wasn't using his claws, Deadpool noticed that and was holding back as well, he had a knife in his hand and had an opportunity to stab Logan but didn't, all because he was enjoying the fight. Then Wolverine suddenly popped his claws and that's when DP got pinned to the ground, he didn't expect that. And Logan gained the upperhand and could've stabbed Wade, but didn't. Before shooting Wolverine DP hit him 4 times in a raw, even though Wolverine was holding back no longer.
Wolverine DID also disarm and pin DP to the ground in a fight before that one as well.
Originally posted by jinzinHe also got curbed while hallucinating. There's one other fight that should be pointed out. When DP took Wolverine down with his blades. And im aware that Logan's HF factor wasn't working well at that point but still a good display of skill for Wade. Also, Wolverine's HF wasn't all that screwed up. I mean, when they fought its been stated that his HF isn't working for 100% but some time later after the fight Logan said that its finally back to working well. I mean, its been WEEKS since he got adamantium ripped out of his body and his HF was screwed up ever since, but then it suddenly got better in like 20 minutes? Makes me thing that during the fight it was at least working well. Not perfectly, but well.I dunno, when DP was getting curbed it was while Wolverine was going into berserker mode, when they both demonstrated h2h combat they both exhibited skill... I don't see much wrong with that.
Originally posted by SamZED
Its not like Wolverine released Deadpool after he had him on the ground, look at the scan, Deadpool gets up in the next pannel and shoots the guy, so no it wasn't a dead to rights situation, you're making it look like Wolverine could've killed him but stopped to talk. Well, the FIRST serious advantage in the fight was this actually:
http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/7112/dp4fa7.jpg (respect for the scan goes to.. well, you)
Deadpool also had Wolverine but stopped to talk. So all this is not improtant, fact is, Wolverine was the one who needed the time to heal in order to continue fighting. So, yes DP did win that fight.
No, Deadpool is stabbing Wolverine with one hand while the other is locking Wolverine's hand from moving. But the fight went on in spite of Deadpool's attack. It's the difference between an exchange of blows and an in fight knock down.. and that's exactly what happened. Wolverine had DP pinned to the ground, DP coughing and gagging, and instead of bringing his other hand down for the ten count he literally stopped attacking DP to have entire paragraphs of conversation.
Wolverine had the first legitimate position of advantage. It's indisputable.
And
Actually Deadpool lost that fight since he was gutted and ended up unconcious... 😕
I will say Deadpool, outperformed Wolverine in the later part of that fight, but that's not the same as winning and it's also incidently the best he's ever done against Logan.
Originally posted by SamZED
That's an assumption. Wolverine didn't say anything about the werefolf until he got pinned by the blade, so he wasn't really distracted.
Originally posted by SamZED
He stated that in an issue, previous to the one where they fought, since then he effortlessly beat the crap outta dozen guards and spent plenty of time looking for Deadpool, with his HF its more than enough to clear his head.
Originally posted by SamZED
Deadpool didn't really state anything, he was trying to get on Logan's nerves and made an assumption that Wolverine wouldn't kill him because he's not just some "faceless" guy to him. But Wolverine was clearly going for it.
Originally posted by SamZEDYeah Wolverine was still holding back.. that's the whole point of why he didn't stab him and threatened him instead. 😬
True, and even in that fight DP showed a h2h skill comparable to Logan's (which was my original point) The thing is, in that fight Logan was holding back at first and he wasn't using his claws, Deadpool noticed that and was holding back as well, he had a knife in his hand and had an opportunity to stab Logan but didn't, all because he was enjoying the fight. Then Wolverine suddenly popped his claws and that's when DP got pinned to the ground, he didn't expect that. And Logan gained the upperhand and could've stabbed Wade, but didn't. Before shooting Wolverine DP hit him 4 times in a raw, even though Wolverine was holding back no longer.
Originally posted by SamZEDWolverine landed several attacks on Wilson that would have been fatal or near fatal without a healing factor, Wilson had to bait Wolverine and use his HF to his advantage before he could land one.. It definitely doesn't help your case. 😐
He also got curbed while hallucinating. There's one other fight that should be pointed out. When DP took Wolverine down with his blades. And im aware that Logan's HF factor wasn't working well at that point but still a good display of skill for Wade. Also, Wolverine's HF wasn't all that screwed up. I mean, when they fought its been stated that his HF isn't working for 100% but some time later after the fight Logan said that its finally back to working well. I mean, its been WEEKS since he got adamantium ripped out of his body and his HF was screwed up ever since, but then it suddenly got better in like 20 minutes? Makes me thing that during the fight it was at least working well. Not perfectly, but well.
He couldn't heal from a bloody nose, it was a point in the story, it wasn't working.
Originally posted by jinzinYes it is. More than that, id say its false. From that position he could've stabbed Wolverine 5 more times and then go for his throat and the only reason the fight went on is because Deadpool stopped to have entire paragraphs of conversation. The fact that Wolverine raised his hand doesn't mean anything, Deadpool was the first one who was in the winning position.
No, Deadpool is stabbing Wolverine with one hand while the other is locking Wolverine's hand from moving. But the fight went on in spite of Deadpool's attack. It's the difference between an exchange of blows and an in fight knock down.. and that's exactly what happened. Wolverine had DP pinned to the ground, DP coughing and gagging, and instead of bringing his other hand down for the ten count he literally stopped attacking DP to have entire paragraphs of conversation.
Wolverine had the first legitimate position of advantage. It's indisputable.
Originally posted by jinzin
Actually Deadpool lost that fight since he was gutted and ended up unconcious... 😕
I will say Deadpool, outperformed Wolverine in the later part of that fight, but that's not the same as winning and it's also incidently the best he's ever done against Logan.
You mean that part when Wolverine attacked Wade from behind and DP was fighting back whle barely paing attention to Logan, and before Wolverine gutted him he just stopped fighting. While they were actually fighting DP was clearly winning. Its a fact.
Originally posted by jinzinMy point is based on the fact that Wolverine was still getting up while he got pinned to the wall, check that fight again, he was still on his knees when Deadpool threw the blade, so your assumption that Logan couldn't dodge because he was distrcted is false.Wolverine tries to draw DP's attention to the Werewolf imediately after being stabbed. Your position is what? That the werewolf teleported behind Deadpool the instant the sword hit it's mark? Seems rather irrational.
Originally posted by jinzinAs far as I know it works fine against toxins poisons etc. He had more than enough time to heal from toxins effect, you'd have a point if Logan said that he was dizzy during the fight or right before attacking Deadpool, but he didn't. So the fight was fair.
And they fought minutes (if that) after he made that statement, so it's still relivent... His HF is notorius when it comes to toxins of that sort, so no, it would still effect performance.
Originally posted by jinzinWhat friendship? I wouldn't exactly call them drinking buddies. And yes I know that for sure seeing how he charged at Deadpool with his claws. Also the end of their "origins" encounter proves that Wolverine has no problems with killing Deadpool, he said it himself.
You know that for sure?
Because you know if that's true, it devalues the scope of their friendship.
He flat out said that Wolverine didn't pull the trigger on him...
Originally posted by jinzinSo was Deadpool. But Wolverine wasn't holding back after Deadpool hit him twice while being on the ground and two more times after Wolverine chargeda at him. So it still proves my point about Wade being close to Wolverine in skill.
Yeah Wolverine was still holding back.. that's the whole point of why he didn't stab him and threatened him instead. 😬
Originally posted by jinzinYes it does. Wolverine cut DP's face, the worst case Deadpool would've had three deep cuts if it wasn't for his HF, while Wade cut Logan through his chest. Which also proves my point about skill.
Wolverine landed several attacks on Wilson that would have been fatal or near fatal without a healing factor, Wilson had to bait Wolverine and use his HF to his advantage before he could land one.. It definitely doesn't help your case. 😐
Originally posted by jinzinSo his HF wasn't working for weeks, but then suddenly started to work just fine in just few minutes after the fight?
He couldn't heal from a bloody nose, it was a point in the story, it wasn't working.
Look, im not saying that Deadpool > Wolverine, im not a retard. I respect Logan as much as you possibly could. Ive been a fan of him since I was like 5. Im just saying that Deadpool is on the same level with Logan when it comes to fighting skil.
Originally posted by SamZED
Yes it is. More than that, id say its false. From that position he could've stabbed Wolverine 5 more times and then go for his throat and the only reason the fight went on is because Deadpool stopped to have entire paragraphs of conversation. The fact that Wolverine raised his hand doesn't mean anything, Deadpool was the first one who was in the winning position.
Originally posted by SamZEDI didn't dispute that DP outperformed him I even stated that he did.. But he still lost.
You mean that part when Wolverine attacked Wade from behind and DP was fighting back whle barely paing attention to Logan, and before Wolverine gutted him he just stopped fighting. While they were actually fighting DP was clearly winning. Its a fact.
Originally posted by SamZED
My point is based on the fact that Wolverine was still getting up while he got pinned to the wall, check that fight again, he was still on his knees when Deadpool threw the blade, so your assumption that Logan couldn't dodge because he was distrcted is false.
Originally posted by SamZEDthen you don't know. Because it's notorious against them.
As far as I know it works fine against toxins poisons etc. He had more than enough time to heal from toxins effect, you'd have a point if Logan said that he was dizzy during the fight or right before attacking Deadpool, but he didn't. So the fight was fair.
He didn't need to. He already stated it. Your contention is that he was fixed minutes later and it's an irrational one to have.
Originally posted by SamZED
What friendship? I wouldn't exactly call them drinking buddies.
Originally posted by SamZEDAt the end of the confrontation? Yeah color me impressed.
And yes I know that for sure seeing how he charged at Deadpool with his claws.
Originally posted by SamZEDYeah if Deadpool comes gunning for him again, because he's done it about half a dozen times now. 😬
Also the end of their "origins" encounter proves that Wolverine has no problems with killing Deadpool, he said it himself.
Originally posted by SamZEDBased on what, because DP's insinuation was quite the opposite. I don't think i ever stated he wasn't. 😕
So was Deadpool. But Wolverine wasn't holding back after Deadpool hit him twice while being on the ground and two more times after Wolverine chargeda at him. So it still proves my point about Wade being close to Wolverine in skill.
Originally posted by SamZED
Yes it does. Wolverine cut DP's face, the worst case Deadpool would've had three deep cuts if it wasn't for his HF, while Wade cut Logan through his chest. Which also proves my point about skill.
So his HF wasn't working for weeks, but then suddenly started to work just fine in just few minutes after the fight?
Originally posted by SamZEDHe isn't though..
Look, im not saying that Deadpool > Wolverine, im not a retard. I respect Logan as much as you possibly could. Ive been a fan of him since I was like 5. Im just saying that Deadpool is on the same level with Logan when it comes to fighting skil.
