Terminator Salvation

You are John Connor. The year is 2018. Humans are almost extinct years after Skynet became self-aware and began terminating the Human race.

Your last hope is a time machine that can be used to bring back people from the past to help you fight this war against the machines.

Who would you choose to turn the tides?

5 Points

* Spiderman

* Predator^ (The Terminators develop space travel and wiped out their race in the future, hence a reason for them to help. Or maybe they need humans to breed their hunt and hence cannot afford their extinction. Or Terminators make a good foe to fight. Pick One).

* Wolverine

* Cyclops

* Colossus

10 Points

* The Thing

* Optimus Prime

* Megatron

* Tony Stark^

* Syndrome (Incredibles)^

* Mr Incredible

15 Points

* Storm

* Human Torch

* Reed Richards

* Susan Storm

20 Points

* Hulk

* Dr Doom (FF1)

* Superskrull/Johnny Storm (FF2)

* Master Yoda^

* Sandman

* Juggernaut

. . .

^ Character is allowed their standard equipment. Everyone else arrives naked.

- An important thing to remember is that at the state the world is currently in, it'll be much more difficult to create technology. On the other hand, it didn't stop Tony Stark from building Mark I "from a box of scraps".

- Also, Skynet has began its total extermination phase, so pick wisely. Whoever you pick not only should have offensive capabilities, but also ability to protect the small group of survivors.

- Remember, this isn't going to be a one-day war. It may very likely last for years. As such, Genius-type characters might be more of an advantage.

- All bad guys are momentarily good guys, it is their own race they are saving afterall.

...............

Scenario I: Total Points allowed: 20

Scenario II: Total Points allowed: 30

Scenario III: Pick one character from each Point Group

I: Tony Stark, Megatron

II: Tony Stark, Dr. Doom

III: Colossus, Tony Stark, Reed Richards, Hulk

I win.

I: Susan Storm solos. But, I'll add in Wolverine too for no real reason.

II: Susan Storm, Tony Stark, Wolverine.

III: Wolverine, Tony Stark, Susan Storm, and Hulk for good measure.

Though in all honesty, Susan+ Logan can solo it all ifthey go on the offensive and attack cyverdyne or whatever. Wherever the main brain is located.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
I: Susan Storm solos. But, I'll add in Wolverine too for no real reason.

Well, if that were the case, you could just pick Superskrull/Johnny Storm for 20 points.

Originally posted by Placidity
You are John Connor. The year is 2018. Humans are almost extinct years after Skynet became self-aware and began terminating the Human race.

Your last hope is a time machine that can be used to bring back people from the past to help you fight this war against the machines.

Who would you choose to turn the tides?

[b]5 Points

* Spiderman

* Predator^ (The Terminators develop space travel and wiped out their race in the future, hence a reason for them to help. Or maybe they need humans to breed their hunt and hence cannot afford their extinction. Or Terminators make a good foe to fight. Pick One).

* Wolverine

* Cyclops

* Colossus

10 Points

* The Thing

* Optimus Prime

* Megatron

* Tony Stark^

* Syndrome (Incredibles)^

* Mr Incredible

15 Points

* Storm

* Human Torch

* Reed Richards

* Susan Storm

20 Points

* Hulk

* Dr Doom (FF1)

* Superskrull/Johnny Storm (FF2)

* Master Yoda^

* Sandman

* Juggernaut

. . .

^ Character is allowed their standard equipment. Everyone else arrives naked.

- An important thing to remember is that at the state the world is currently in, it'll be much more difficult to create technology. On the other hand, it didn't stop Tony Stark from building Mark I "from a box of scraps".

- Also, Skynet has began its total extermination phase, so pick wisely. Whoever you pick not only should have offensive capabilities, but also ability to protect the small group of survivors.

- Remember, this isn't going to be a one-day war. It may very likely last for years. As such, Genius-type characters might be more of an advantage.

- All bad guys are momentarily good guys, it is their own race they are saving afterall.

...............

Scenario I: Total Points allowed: 20

Scenario II: Total Points allowed: 30

Scenario III: Pick one character from each Point Group [/B]

1: Hulk

2: Hulk and Megatron

3: Hulk, Megatron, Storm and Colossus

I: Cyclops and Reed Richards

Cyke has a very good offensive, probably more effective than some of the higher up guys listed. Reed on the other hand is the smartest on the list and can develop some high tech stuff over time.

II: Dr Doom and Tony Stark

What I lacked in the first scenario was some muscle. Dr Doom provides plenty of that as well as his genius intellect. Same thing for Stark - will make tech that will overcome skynet. I admitt Reed would still be the best choice, but theres just no room for him.

III:

5 Points

- Cyclops

We're talking about a war on thousands if not maybe millions of machines. Someone like Wolverine or Spiderman can't deal with too much at once. Cyclops, however can take out hundreds with just a turn of his head.

The Predator was also a close second due to his Plasma Cannon and also that very powerful bomb.

10 Points
- Megatron

Not only physically stronger, but packs some firepower behind his cannons.

15 Points

- Storm

Just think of the scene where she summoned up a storm with multiple tornadoes. Could do some serious damage to Skynet infrastructure on a large scale.

- Reed Richards

I would actually tie Reed with Storm. He is afterall a genius that came up with a device on whim that defeated Galactus' most powerful herald. The down side is it would take him awhile to create something with the lack of technology available.

20 Points

A very tough choice here and it isnt clear for me at all. I would probably pick Hulk or Doom, the both pack extreme durability, offensive capabilities and are geniuses.

Doom can also absorb an unlimited amount of energy/electricity. Perhaps that might be a way of decommissioning skynet.

I'd include Hulk in every scenario. The amount of punishment he takes and deals out in return is phenomenal.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I'd include Hulk in every scenario. The amount of punishment he takes and deals out in return is phenomenal.

But his durability is overkill, I don't think Skynet machines can deal out any damage that could hurt him or some of the others on the list such as Doom and Juggs. With that in mind, I think it would be wise to pick someone like Doom, who can tank all the damage, aswell as have other advantages.

Originally posted by Placidity
Well, if that were the case, you could just pick Superskrull/Johnny Storm for 20 points.

Wait. You're right.

I do that then. 131

Originally posted by Placidity
You are John Connor. The year is 2018. Humans are almost extinct years after Skynet became self-aware and began terminating the Human race.

Your last hope is a time machine that can be used to bring back people from the past to help you fight this war against the machines.

Who would you choose to turn the tides?

[b]5 Points

* Spiderman

* Predator^ (The Terminators develop space travel and wiped out their race in the future, hence a reason for them to help. Or maybe they need humans to breed their hunt and hence cannot afford their extinction. Or Terminators make a good foe to fight. Pick One).

* Wolverine

* Cyclops

* Colossus

10 Points

* The Thing

* Optimus Prime

* Megatron

* Tony Stark^

* Syndrome (Incredibles)^

* Mr Incredible

15 Points

* Storm

* Human Torch

* Reed Richards

* Susan Storm

20 Points

* Hulk

* Dr Doom (FF1)

* Superskrull/Johnny Storm (FF2)

* Master Yoda^

* Sandman

* Juggernaut

. . .

^ Character is allowed their standard equipment. Everyone else arrives naked.

- An important thing to remember is that at the state the world is currently in, it'll be much more difficult to create technology. On the other hand, it didn't stop Tony Stark from building Mark I "from a box of scraps".

- Also, Skynet has began its total extermination phase, so pick wisely. Whoever you pick not only should have offensive capabilities, but also ability to protect the small group of survivors.

- Remember, this isn't going to be a one-day war. It may very likely last for years. As such, Genius-type characters might be more of an advantage.

- All bad guys are momentarily good guys, it is their own race they are saving afterall.

...............

Scenario I: Total Points allowed: 20

Scenario II: Total Points allowed: 30

Scenario III: Pick one character from each Point Group [/B]

Scenario 1
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Human Torch...,He just needs to fly into Skynet and go borderline supernova and it's all over. The heat it took to melt a T-800 and T-1000 isn't even a fraction of Johnny's potential. Throw in Wolverine for some ground support
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Scenario 2
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Susan Storm and Human Torch
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Scenario 3
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Wolverine, Tony Stark, Human Torch and Hulk

Yeah, but one bullet and Johnny is done.

First team: Spidey, Wolverine and Predator. Where are the Xenomorphs?!

Spidey's spider-sense would be great, Wolverine's healing factor, blah blah blah, and Predator's weapons and stealth would be great.

Second team: Hulk and Optimus Prime, VROOM SMASH.....?

Third team: Hulk, Optimus, Susan and Spidey.

We need more threads like these.

Let me start by saying a few things. Firstly, Wolverine would get pwned by Skynet. In X2 he gets KO'd by a bullet to the skull. The plasma weaponry would tear him up. He is not fast/agile enough like Spider-Man to dodge. He's not stealthy/agile like the Yautja to evade. And he's not Colossus, he can't tank most of the plasma rounds. He won't be useless, it's just he'd be a slightly better soldier(if you gave him guns). If he goes in with all claws he's dead. Besides the Yautja metal is on par with Logan’s so that defeats the purpose of Adamantium. Secondly, Tony Stark>Reed Richards intelligence wise. Even if you disagree with me it’s clear that Stark is better at building weapons. Plus I think Richards would be vulnerable to the plasma weaponry of Skynet. Thirdly, Hulk is bottom line: UNCONTROLLABLE! Fourthly, the Transformers would get murdered by Skynet.

Scenario 1: Cyclops, Colossus, Spider-Man, and Yautja. That ground unit would annihilate any Skynet models. Cyclops taking off his visor could mow a whole row of them. Colossus can take off running and hit models like Mack trucks. Or he can provide cover for Resistance soldiers. He can also carry huge plasma guns. Spider-Man is strong enough to rip the T-800 models a part with his bare hands. Doubt they could tag him, plus he could carry a plasma rifle. But the Yautja is way out of Skynet's league. Their weaponry and technology is a lot superior then the machines. First of all there metal would cut through anything the machines would have to offer with ease similar to Wolverine. Their plasma cannon with a couple hits would murder the T-1000 unlike Cyclops’ blast which would just hit it with blunt force. Also its mini-nuke might come in handy. Plus the Terminator models wouldn’t be able to see it. So yeah I’d rather have this destructive ground unit lead by Cyclops over someone worth 20 points like Hulk.

Scenario 2: Storm, Tony Stark, and Colossus. This unit would be used for long-range attacks. Storm would stay at home base and create huge tornado storms for advancing machines. Stark would of course already have his MK III armor, so he could create better weapons for the Resistance in the time he’s not needed thanks to Storm. Models that miraculously get past Storm’s tornados will be trying to take her out. That’s where Colossus comes in. He’ll be guarding the base at the gate with other Resistance fighters. Of course whenever Tony is needed he’ll don his “hot-rod red” and gold suit to become Iron Man.

Scenario 3: Colossus, Tony Stark, Storm, and Master Yoda. Yoda has the most experience with this kind of war thanks to his time in the Clone Wars. Yoda will be commanding this unit since he can telepathically talk to you. He will inspire troops and protect them. He can also telekinetically use Colossus as a fast-ball pitch. His lightsaber skills will prove the plasma weapons of Skynet useless since they are essentially like blasters. He will cut through machines effortlessly with his lightsaber. He will also defeat armies of droids w/o even getting close thanks to his second to none Force abilities. Everyone else will do the same as listed in Scenario 2.

Hmm....I rethought it, and:

Scenario one: Wolverine, Colossus, The Thing.....Pretty straight forward, a wrecking crew.

Scenario two: Hulk, Megatron. Hulk wreaks havoc on the grounded Terminators while Megatron takes on the airborne threats.

Scenario three: Colossus, The Thing, Storm, Hulk. Same as scenario one, but Storm is added in to provide fog cover and lightning attacks.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Scenario one: Wolverine, Colossus, The Thing.....Pretty straight forward, a wrecking crew.

Also why is Juggernaut so high. How was he any different from Colossus and Thing besides durability? I thought those three were roughly same in strength. He's certainly not on Hulk's level. Mr. Incredible may be is stronger than all of the bricks here.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Why Wolverine, when the Yautja is available? I think Logan would be put down by the plasma weaponry pretty quickly. Colossus and Thing are good choices though.

Also why is Juggernaut so high. How was he any different from Colossus and Thing besides durability? I thought those three were roughly same in strength. He's certainly not on Hulk's level. Mr. Incredible may be is stronger than all of the bricks here.

I dont get why anyone would pick someone like the Torch, Susan Storm or Reed Richards, they can be killed with one blast.

I know, so can Storm, but her powers over the weather is too good to pass on. Plus she has nice bewbz.

Reed is a genius; he's there for technical stuff. It's not like he's going to be on the front lines or something.

Thats my point, wouldnt it be better to have fighters who could take a shitload of punishment and roll over the terminators? John Connor is a tactical genius, obviously, why would they need another?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi

I dont get why anyone would pick someone like the Torch, Susan Storm or Reed Richards, they can be killed with one blast.

Susan Storm's telekinetic blasts managed to protect her and a group of people from Johnny using a supernova right in front of her face. She can literally waltz right into wherever the Skynet mother brain is and completely ignore everything that's firing at her. She can also herself and anyone she touches intangible, like Kitty.

As for the Predator, it's pathetic in this scenario. Predators are absolutely nothing without their cloaking abilities. In all the movies they almost always die not long after they lose the element of surprise, meaning that one blast of sonar or radar or thermal vision and the Predator's assed out.

Wolverine was knocked out by the concussive force of the bullet to the head, he had a concussion. Laser beams don't have concussive force, thus, an energy blast to the head won't do anything to Logan except melt off the skin around his adamantium head for a few seconds before it grows back.

Logan can cut through any of terminators with his adamantium blades and has almost limitless stamina, meaning he can keep fighting for days if necessary. In addition due to his super sense of smell and hearing he can hear the machines coming from a mile away, negating ambushes, and can sense wither a human is really a human or just a terminator in disguise.

Thus, if you pair up Susan with Logan they have an almost unstoppable defense and offense.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, but one bullet and Johnny is done.

As long as he is in Flame mode the bullets will melt before hitting him. Although, i'm not sure how heat affects lasers. 😕 I think he would be able to avoid laser fire long enough to make it to skynet and go supernova though. He can fly on the border of the Earths Atmosphere. All he would need to do is Fly high enough and long enough until he reaches skynet and then fly straight down like a bomb.

Imagine what he could do coupled with Susan Storm. They would be unstoppable.