Terminator Salvation

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Susan Storm's telekinetic blasts managed to protect her and a group of people from Johnny using a supernova right in front of her face. She can literally waltz right into wherever the Skynet mother brain is and completely ignore everything that's firing at her. She can also herself and anyone she touches intangible, like Kitty.

As for the Predator, it's pathetic in this scenario. Predators are absolutely nothing without their cloaking abilities. In all the movies they almost always die not long after they lose the element of surprise, meaning that one blast of sonar or radar or thermal vision and the Predator's assed out.

Wolverine was knocked out by the concussive force of the bullet to the head, he had a concussion. Laser beams don't have concussive force, thus, an energy blast to the head won't do anything to Logan except melt off the skin around his adamantium head for a few seconds before it grows back.

Logan can cut through any of terminators with his adamantium blades and has almost limitless stamina, meaning he can keep fighting for days if necessary. In addition due to his super sense of smell and hearing he can hear the machines coming from a mile away, negating ambushes, and can sense wither a human is really a human or just a terminator in disguise.

Thus, if you pair up Susan with Logan they have an almost unstoppable defense and offense.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah, but could her telekinetic abilities stop plasma blasts?

Why not? It stopped Dooms powers and the power of a dying sun.

the only downside to Sue is that the longer she uses her telekinetic shield the more fatigued she becomes. I have no doubt that her shield could withstand anything skynet threw at her, but for how long?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well, Wolvie can regenerate, whereas a well placed plasma blast will put the Pred down for good.

I dont get why anyone would pick someone like the Torch, Susan Storm or Reed Richards, they can be killed with one blast.

Torch is pretty fast when flying. Not sure if Skynet has anything that can keep up with his speed. But I wouldn't pick him b/c of his lack of durability and overall immaturity. Sue is a good pick, she can make others invisible, and create force fields around the models guns, crush them or do the same to the models themselves. Reed would likely try to create something that would shut Skynet down.

One stab to the stomach put down a Predator. Care to explain why one plasma bolt wouldn't?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Doubtful that one plasma blast would put down a Yautja. And it has it's cloak here.

Torch is pretty fast when flying. Not sure if Skynet has anything that can keep up with his speed. But I wouldn't pick him b/c of his lack of durability and overall immaturity. Sue is a good pick, she can make others invisible, and create force fields around the models guns, crush them or do the same to the models themselves. Reed would likely try to create something that would shut Skynet down.

Aren't Tx's and T-1000's pretty damn fast? If they can't keep up with a Predator the Hunter Killers most certainly can. Because of the Terminators ability to see in Thermal vision i don't see how a PRedator is going to avoid a lock on laser blast, rocket or what ever else they may have at their disposal.

I also think Sue is one of the best choices but will her invisibility really help her here?

Susan's invisibility wont help her, Terminators will see her with their thermal vision.

And a Pred was taken down by a shotgun, a plasma blast would rip right through it.

Johnny could just use Nova Flame and melt their asses, couldn't he?

He could, but skynet will continue chruning out terminators left and right. It will be never ending.

Not to mention we have no idea how a plasma blast will affect him. And yes, the terminators will eventually hit him.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Secondly, Tony Stark>Reed Richards intelligence wise. Even if you disagree with me it’s clear that Stark is better at building weapons. Plus I think Richards would be vulnerable to the plasma weaponry of Skynet.

Yes he would be vulnerable to plasma bolts but he would survive just as he did to Doom's superior blasts.

But anyway, like someone said, I wouldn't have him in the frontlines. He would mainly be safe at base building tech.

As for Stark>Reed, I would have to completely disagree.

Stark biggest feat is perhaps development of the Arc Reactor, which was actually originally created by his father. The technology of the armor is not too far of from real life, of course probably at least 100 years away.

On the other hand, Reed created a device on whim that defeated the power cosmic weilding Silver Surfer. The technology he creates is beyond what anyone would think is possible to achieve currently, such as a machine that recreated the enviroment of cosmic clouds that can give humans super powers.

Also, in RotSS, he created levitating cars (fantasticars), again a tech not yet in the realm of possibility.

Originally posted by Darth Martin

Also why is Juggernaut so high. How was he any different from Colossus and Thing besides durability? I thought those three were roughly same in strength. He's certainly not on Hulk's level. Mr. Incredible may be is stronger than all of the bricks here.

How strong Juggernaut is, we don't know exactly. But given his character in the comics and his reputation, I would assume he is stronger rather than weaker. But the main point is that even the movie states that he is an unstoppable force once he gains momentum. Nothing will stop him from plowing through anything in his path, even a feat, the Hulk might find hard to match.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican

Wolverine was knocked out by the concussive force of the bullet to the head, he had a concussion. Laser beams don't have concussive force, thus, an energy blast to the head won't do anything to Logan except melt off the skin around his adamantium head for a few seconds before it grows back.

Logan can cut through any of terminators with his adamantium blades and has almost limitless stamina, meaning he can keep fighting for days if necessary. In addition due to his super sense of smell and hearing he can hear the machines coming from a mile away, negating ambushes, and can sense wither a human is really a human or just a terminator in disguise.

I think the mistake you are making is thinking of real life physics. We are yet to see, but I'm sure lasers used in T4 will be concussive as well.

But thats not my main gripe with picking Wolverine over others. Lets assume, he can endure plenty of damage, the point is he can't deal it out quick enough. We are talking about thousands if not millions of machines. Even if he went at it all day, he's only going to put a chip in their army. Compare this to someone like Cyclops, who could wipe out hundreds/thousands just by taking off his visors.

Originally posted by Placidity
I think the mistake you are making is thinking of real life physics. We are yet to see, but I'm sure lasers used in T4 will be concussive as well.

Possibly. I don't think they can put out enough though.

But thats not my main gripe with picking Wolverine over others. Lets assume, he can endure plenty of damage, the point is he can't deal it out quick enough. We are talking about thousands if not millions of machines. Even if he went at it all day, he's only going to put a chip in their army. Compare this to someone like Cyclops, who could wipe out hundreds/thousands just by taking off his visors.

Movie Cyclops can't do that. Maybe one or two at a time, but not as much as he could in his comic persona.

And I was under the assumption that the people we choose could use actual intelligence and strategy, not just attack anything they see but pick essential targets necessary for the machine's war effort, I.E, control rooms, brains, factories, etc.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
He could, but skynet will continue chruning out terminators left and right. It will be never ending.

but thats why he goes for Skynet

i want to pick nightcrawler 🙁

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
i want to pick nightcrawler 🙁

Well, there are many charaters I could have listed, but some I couldn't see any real benefits from.

By all means though, if its not in the list, you could provide reasons why you would pick another character.

I would say Nightcrawler would be in the 5 Points category.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Movie Cyclops can't do that. Maybe one or two at a time, but not as much as he could in his comic persona.

If he's turning his head while shooting ... ?

Originally posted by Publius II
If he's turning his head while shooting ... ?

Exactly...

Originally posted by Publius II
If he's turning his head while shooting ... ?

And in the process he gets shot in the back of the head.

Yes.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
but thats why he goes for Skynet

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Dude he would never make it to skynet, they would shoot him out of the sky.

Not really, he's too fast.

Originally posted by Placidity
Not really, he's too fast.