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That's assuming you want the speed comment. Busiek clarifies his stance on the second page.
As for his Superman konvikt statement I don't really have time to go through the threads to find it.
Originally posted by Galvaclaw
http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/web/thread.jspa?messageID=2004676574�That's assuming you want the speed comment. Busiek clarifies his stance on the second page.
As for his Superman konvikt statement I don't really have time to go through the threads to find it.
😂 thx...
i love busiek's attitude about the whole thing...
Originally posted by FrothByte
Why is spiderman so high?
His spider-sense and speed combination helps him to dodge even lasers.
But Maybe you are right. Spider-man should probably be a few notches down. It's just him being shown to be faster than Thor and Firelord in direct combat got me psyched.
Now with CIS off Spider-man is definitely down the list.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Appeal to numbers means nothing to me. DOS Doomsday surprising Byrne-era Superman with his speed that belies his size/strength is a complete ripoff of Hulk shocking his superfast opponents with his speed that belies his size/strength. Unless I'm forgetting that there isn't more than that outside of Booster Gold shouting how he was faster than Flash.
You're more wrong than 2x1=2,000
Superman stated that Doomsday was as agile as he was strong.
Superman stated that the harder he fought, the more strong and relentless Doomsday became.
Maxima wondered how could Doomsday move so fast and was caught off guard by Doomsday.
Superman stated that he had to move faster and match Doomsday'speed or he was done.
Doomsday blitzed the whole Justice League.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Appeal to numbers means nothing to me. DOS Doomsday surprising Byrne-era Superman with his speed that belies his size/strength is a complete ripoff of Hulk shocking his superfast opponents with his speed that belies his size/strength. Unless I'm forgetting that there isn't more than that outside of Booster Gold shouting how he was faster than Flash.
You're more wrong than 2x1=2,000
Superman stated that Doomsday was as agile as he was strong.
Superman stated that the harder he fought, the more strong and relentless Doomsday became.
Maxima wondered how could Doomsday move so fast and was caught off guard by Doomsday.
Superman stated that he had to move faster and match Doomsday'speed or he was done.
Doomsday blitzed the whole Justice League, who could not react in time to avoid Doomsday's attack.
Originally posted by ToughMindPretty much he can downplay the feat all he wants it was still impressive spedwise.
You're more wrong than 2x1=2,000Superman stated that Doomsday was as agile as he was strong.
Superman stated that the harder he fought, the more strong and relentless Doomsday became.
Maxima wondered how could Doomsday move so fast and was caught off guard by Doomsday.
Superman stated that he had to move faster and match Doomsday'speed or he was done.
Doomsday blitzed the whole Justice League.
Originally posted by ToughMindHulk is as agile as he is strong. He actually beat a speedtser that was kicking the crap out of Nova and Northstar. What does a general statement from a Bryne-era Superman prove?
You're more wrong than 2x1=2,000Superman stated that Doomsday was as agile as he was strong.
Superman stated that the harder he fought, the more strong and relentless Doomsday became.
Maxima wondered how could Doomsday move so fast and was caught off guard by Doomsday.
Superman stated that he had to move faster and match Doomsday'speed or he was done.
Doomsday blitzed the whole Justice League.
Doomsday's strength/relentlessness has nothing to do with his combat speed.
Everyone always wonders how Hulk can move so fast. Speedsters too.
Yes, because he was obviously stronger and if tried to just match him strength like he can usually do against Lobo or the General, it wouldn't be enough. Say it with me: Byrne-era Superman.
Forgotten One ran through the Eternals in a single panel also. Does he now have super-speed? No. Because they were simply taken by surprise. DOS Dommsday's best speed feat is catching people off-guard and having Booster Gold exclaim he was faster than the Flash (and that was even when he was far slower than he is now).
Please. Doomsday never ran across the country, never threw thousands of punches in a second, never went intanigble, never blurred himself, never had multiple images in one panel. Batman knocked out Guy Gardner before he could react, that doesn't give him superspeed. It just means Batman took him by surprise or Guy underestimated him.
Obviously DOS Doomsday is fast. Faster than other "zomg-he's-impossibly-fast-for-his-size" bricks like Hulk? Not a single legitimate speed feat to justify thinking so.
Originally posted by MekrobI was under the impression it happened off-panel. Are you saying the Starmaster robot found himself in a bearhug by Hulk and that's when Hulk proceeded to beat him?
Didn't he like... not deal with his speed at all, but rather had a hold of him before the robot turned around to see him?
Originally posted by MekrobIIRC, I don't remember him grabbing hold of him at all. The robot was speeding across the landscape towards Hulk who had been teleported ther by Dr. Strange. The next panel went back to Nova and Northstar talkin to Dr. Strange about how Hulk was gonna help them. Then several panels of smashing. Then Nova and Northstar show up and he's in pieces.
I'm saying that Hulk already had a hold of him/drop on him so all his speed was irrelevant.iirc anyway.
Hulk has better speed feats than that. The reason I use it is because its tenuous to use for a fair estimation of Hulk's speed. And rumbling through some JLA'ers in a single scene is even more tenuous. How many bricks have accomplished that same type of feat in their careers?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0so when maxima who has super speed swung and missed dd due to him dodging said attack that actually caught superman off guard. That wasn't super speed on dd's part? Lmao @ur bias.
Hulk is as agile as he is strong. He actually beat a speedtser that was kicking the crap out of Nova and Northstar. What does a general statement from a Bryne-era Superman prove?Doomsday's strength/relentlessness has nothing to do with his combat speed.
Everyone always wonders how Hulk can move so fast. Speedsters too.
Yes, because he was obviously stronger and if tried to just match him strength like he can usually do against Lobo or the General, it wouldn't be enough. Say it with me: Byrne-era Superman.
Forgotten One ran through the Eternals in a single panel also. Does he now have super-speed? No. Because they were simply taken by surprise. DOS Dommsday's best speed feat is catching people off-guard and having Booster Gold exclaim he was faster than the Flash (and that was even when he was far slower than he is now).
Please. Doomsday never ran across the country, never threw thousands of punches in a second, never went intanigble, never blurred himself, never had multiple images in one panel. Batman knocked out Guy Gardner before he could react, that doesn't give him superspeed. It just means Batman took him by surprise or Guy underestimated him.
Obviously DOS Doomsday is fast. Faster than other "zomg-he's-impossibly-fast-for-his-size" bricks like Hulk? Not a single legitimate speed feat to justify thinking so.
Originally posted by RaoulHow does that change the analysis? Either Byrne/Jurgens era Superman is nowhere near current Superman. Now DOS Doosmday is considered faster than current Superman by some because he surprised a slower/weaker Superman? You yourself see the ridiculousness of such an idea. Subsequent Doomsday incarnations (not counting the flawed clones) get outright embarassed by current Superman's speed.
byrne era superman =/= jurgens era superman.similar, yes, but not the same. and this isn't counting all the people since then who've fought doomsday after that era was dead and gone...
Originally posted by fangirl101Have superfast people missed slower opponents because they've underestimated their foe's speed? When fighting someone far stronger and durable than you, could you ever conceive thatyou'd have to sacrifice speed for power and thus miss a slower foe?
so when maxima who has super speed swung and missed dd due to him dodging said attack that actually caught superman off guard. That wasn't super speed on dd's part? Lmao @ur bias.
Before you answer those obvious questions: Show me a Maxima super-speed feat from the Bryne-era, other than fighting superfast DOS Doomsday, whose supposed to have superspeed because he dodged superfast Maxima. Circular reasoning ftw?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Maxima has clearly fought Superman on even keel a couple of times.
How does that change the analysis? Either Byrne/Jurgens era Superman is nowhere near current Superman. Now DOS Doosmday is considered faster than current Superman by some because he surprised a slower/weaker Superman? You yourself see the ridiculousness of such an idea. Subsequent Doomsday incarnations (not counting the flawed clones) get outright embarassed by current Superman's speed.
Have superfast people missed slower opponents because they've underestimated their foe's speed? When fighting someone far stronger and durable than you, could you ever conceive thatyou'd have to sacrifice speed for power and thus miss a slower foe?Before you answer those obvious questions: Show me a Maxima super-speed feat from the Bryne-era, other than fighting superfast DOS Doomsday, whose supposed to have superspeed because he dodged superfast Maxima. Circular reasoning ftw?