Ranking - H2H fighting speed

Originally posted by fangirl101
Maxima has clearly fought Superman on even keel a couple of times.

DOS Doosmday is superfast because DOS Doomsday surprised Bryne-era Superman and Bryne-era Maxima. And Byrne-era Maxima is superfast because she fought Byrne-era Superman. Therefore, DOS Doomsday is superfast.

What you just did is exactly like me saying the following:

Savage Hulk is superfast because Savage Hulk surprised classic Thor and classic Silver Surfer. And classic Thor is superfast because he fought classic Silver Surfer. Therefore, Savage Hulk is superfast.

Prove Bryne-era Superman or classic Silver Surfer are superfast first. Then prove that when Bryne-era Maxima and classic Thor fought them, they clearly matched their superspeeds. Then prove that DOS Doomsday and Savage Hulk bested their superspeeds without relying on them being surprised by how their size belied their speed.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Bryne-era Superman. I rest my case. Circular reasoning:

DOS Doosmday is superfast because DOS Doomsday surprised Bryne-era Superman and Bryne-era Maxima. And Byrne-era Maxima is superfast because she fought Byrne-era Superman. Therefore, DOS Doomsday is superfast.

What you just did is exactly like me saying the following:

Savage Hulk is superfast because Savage Hulk surprised classic Thor and classic Silver Surfer. And classic Thor is superfast because he fought classic Silver Surfer. Therefore, Savage Hulk is superfast.

Prove Bryne-era Superman or classic Silver Surfer are superfast first. Then prove that when Bryne-era Maxima and classic Thor fought them, they clearly matched their superspeeds. Then prove that DOS Doomsday and Savage Hulk bested their superspeeds without relying on them being surprised by how their size belied their speed.

Originally posted by fangirl101
ur reasoning is a hoot. Ur hate is kegendary. Ur trolling is laughable. And u saying byrne era superman is tragic. He clearly had space adventurea even then. He travelled undewr his own power.

Start with #1.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Bryne-era Superman. I rest my case. Circular reasoning:

DOS Doosmday is superfast because DOS Doomsday surprised Bryne-era Superman and Bryne-era Maxima. And Byrne-era Maxima is superfast because she fought Byrne-era Superman. Therefore, DOS Doomsday is superfast.

What you just did is exactly like me saying the following:

Savage Hulk is superfast because Savage Hulk surprised classic Thor and classic Silver Surfer. And classic Thor is superfast because he fought classic Silver Surfer. Therefore, Savage Hulk is superfast.

Prove Bryne-era Superman or classic Silver Surfer are superfast first. Then prove that when Bryne-era Maxima and classic Thor fought them, they clearly matched their superspeeds. Then prove that DOS Doomsday and Savage Hulk bested their superspeeds without relying on them being surprised by how their size belied their speed.

Superb Post.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How is travelling related to combat speed? Don't change the subject. #1 Show me a single Bryne-era Maxima combat speed feat. #2 Then show me how she clearly matches Byrne-era Superman's combat speed. #3 Then show me DOS Doomsday clearly matching both of their relative combat speeds without surprise on his side. #4 Then after all that, prove that DOS Doomsday is anywhere near as fast as current Superman or Wonderwoman.

Start with #1.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
How does that change the analysis? Either Byrne/Jurgens era Superman is nowhere near current Superman. Now DOS Doosmday is considered faster than current Superman by some because he surprised a slower/weaker Superman? You yourself see the ridiculousness of such an idea.

who said that?

Subsequent Doomsday incarnations (not counting the flawed clones) get outright embarassed by current Superman's speed.

not doomsday wars dd, or hunter prey. rex, iirc, is really the only doomsday that was shown to be slower than superman reflexes wise... doomsday seems to grow as superman does. they will always be relatively equal in that respect...

dos dd = dos superman, who to be fair, did have a decent amount of superspeed. is he anything close to current levels? nope...

Originally posted by Raoul
who said that?

Originally posted by Raoul
not doomsday wars dd, or hunter prey. rex, iirc, is really the only doomsday that was shown to be slower than superman reflexes wise... doomsday seems to grow as superman does. they will always be relatively equal in that respect...

dos dd = dos superman, who to be fair, did have a decent amount of superspeed. is he anything close to current levels? nope...

Originally posted by fangirl101
Don't tell me where to start. I'll start where I want. Which is number 4. I never said dos dd was as fast as current superman. Anyway byrne era superman doesn't techniaclly exist.

I know you never said #4. Other people do. I've been arguing with those people. You then criticized my reasoning. Hence, either you agree with them or you disagree and you're simply trying to attack my reasoning... and failing at it.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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Hunter/Prey dealt with Jurgens-era Superman. Infinite Crisis Doomsday didn't fare well at all.

infinite crisis doomsday fought two supermen. there's nothing to suggest he was slower than either of them.

More than a few people believe that DOS Doomsday is better than Orion, J'onn (who actually blurred with Wally), Glads (who is the only character here that has actually fought at nanosecond speeds), etc. I'd say about half of those who commented do. DOS Doomsday showed the kind of combat speed feats that Savage Hulk had in the past. How he gets put past Gladiator who has actually fought at FTL speeds is nothing short of ridiculous. Especially when all he did was rampage through an old JLA and kill/get killed by Byrne-era Superman. As you can see, I'm not necesssarily arguing with you. Just calling it how I see it.

and that's fine. i just don't want to see you arguing about any other doomsdays... uhuh

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Originally posted by fangirl101
ur reasoning is a hoot. Ur hate is kegendary. Ur trolling is laughable. And u saying byrne era superman is tragic. He clearly had space adventurea even then. He travelled undewr his own power.

Originally posted by Raoul
who said that?

not doomsday wars dd, or hunter prey. rex, iirc, is really the only doomsday that was shown to be slower than superman reflexes wise... doomsday seems to grow as superman does. they will always be relatively equal in that respect...

dos dd = dos superman, who to be fair, did have a decent amount of superspeed. is he anything close to current levels? nope...

Thank you.

The point that I and others are trying to make is that while Byrne's Superman was not nearly close to the speed of today's superman, he still reached supersonic speeds and was known to be faster than the flash at that time who could run at least Mach 4.

Therefore DOS was giving superman problems due to his speed for pretty much the whole fight. Superman could not block, dodge, or duck doomsday's punches getting busted up in the process. Therefore Doomsday was as fast and faster than Byrne's superman, who I am sure still had pretty good reflexes for THAT time.

DOS Doomsday did have superspeed. Lightspeed? No. But he did have superspeed. Doomsday was powered by stored solar energy like superman so why could he not share some of his abilities besides super strength?

Originally posted by fangirl101
ur reasoning is a hoot. Ur hate is kegendary. Ur trolling is laughable. And u saying byrne era superman is tragic. He clearly had space adventurea even then. He travelled undewr his own power.

Yep. Byrne's superman was fast in his own right for that era. Which was pretty fast and even then doomsday gave him more than he could handle.

Originally posted by fangirl101
so when maxima who has super speed swung and missed dd due to him dodging said attack that actually caught superman off guard. That wasn't super speed on dd's part? Lmao @ur bias.

In fact, doomsday caught Maxima off guard twice, while in close comabt.

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
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