Originally posted by TricksterPriestIf he had unlimited power why does he have to partake in the odinsleep ?
I call bullshit on that. Odin referenced having unlimited power or variations thereof once before. Hell, I think he said something to that effect when he fought Thanos. Besides, it's clear Void is the real power behind Sentry. Sentry is still a joke.
Boom.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I call bullshit on that. Odin referenced having unlimited power or variations thereof once before. Hell, I think he said something to that effect when he fought Thanos. Besides, it's clear Void is the real power behind Sentry. Sentry is still a joke.
Sentry IS Void just like Banner IS Hulk. The same peeps. The only difference is, Sentry holds back, A LOT.
^ This. Especially by the time Sentry's story was winding down. Sentry's holding back though still puts him on the level where he gives World War Hulk freebie shots, stalemates Photon Genis-Vell, curbstomps Terrax, one-shots Doom instantly, and beats Molecule Man at his own game.
People wanting to use a Sentry who is pacifying himself can go ahead and make a thread with jobbing Sentry who did not start discovering the full extent of his powers and started blurring the distinction between Void and Sentry.
Vs threads use current incarnations. Not a specific older incarnation who jobbed in a specific fight.
Originally posted by psycho gundamNot exactly.
war hulk overloaded absorbing man also
Originally posted by OneDumbG0The time of creation of the thread has a lot to do with it as well. Showings up until that point would be the intent of the creator.
^ This. Especially by the time Sentry's story was winding down. Sentry's holding back though still puts him on the level where he gives World War Hulk freebie shots, stalemates Photon Genis-Vell, curbstomps Terrax, one-shots Doom instantly, and beats Molecule Man at his own game.People wanting to use a Sentry who is pacifying himself can go ahead and make a thread with jobbing Sentry who did not start discovering the full extent of his powers and started blurring the distinction between Void and Sentry.
Vs threads use current incarnations. Not a specific older incarnation who jobbed in a specific fight. Not exactly.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I'm not desperate to project anything. I am convinced Wonder Woman wins this handily since she has the greater list of feats, better fighting prowess and a one shot weapon that can do all sorts of things to Sentry. There isn't any desperation anywhere in my rationale. One showing against an MM who couldn't even teleport people away instead of kidnapping them does not impress.
^ So why assume that the creator set the parameters you're so desperate to project onto the thread?
^ She doesn't have Thor+ physical power, she doesn't have Molecule Man+ matter manipulation powers, she doesn't have Photon Genis-Vell-level energy manipulation powers.
Her "one-shot" weapon has seldom been used as a "one-shot" weapon against foes on this level. And it still doesn't give her the majority over foes of this level that aren't Marvel characters. Sentry being a hated Marvel character doesn't change that equation. You give her lasso's "one-shot" full faith and credit, than you give Sentry's overloading Absorbing Man, containing a Cosmic Cube, telepathically mindwiping the entire Earth, no selling several WWH blows, physically reconstitutes himself after being annihilated within seconds feats their full due. Then you can do the math again.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Foes of Sentry's level? Circe is above sentry. Ares is above sentry. Hectate, far above Sentry. WW actually dispelled Darkseid from every living thing on DC earth with her lasso in Final Crisis. Sentry does not compare. WW is every bit as strong as Thor or very close to it. But she's got speed in spades on Thor. So Speed equals greater striking power. She doesn't need MM's manipulation power to defeat Sentry. Had MM actually just mind ****ed Sentry, he would have won. OverLoading AM isn't any more impressive than WW blowing up Hectate with ultimate power or mind ****ing Ares.
^ She doesn't have Thor+ physical power, she doesn't have Molecule Man+ matter manipulation powers, she doesn't have Photon Genis-Vell-level energy manipulation powers.Her "one-shot" weapon has seldom been used as a "one-shot" weapon against foes on this level. And it still doesn't give her the majority over foes of this level that aren't Marvel characters. Sentry being a hated Marvel character doesn't change that equation. You give her lasso's "one-shot" full faith and credit, than you give Sentry's overloading Absorbing Man, containing a Cosmic Cube, telepathically mindwiping the entire Earth, no selling several WWH blows, physically reconstitutes himself after being annihilated within seconds feats their full due. Then you can do the math again.
^ Circe is a glorified Morgana le Fey. We saw what happened to her. Captain Marvel and Superman do not get beaten for a majority because of Wonder Woman's lasso.
Sentry's weak psyche has nothing to do with Thor+ physicality, MM+ matter manip and Photon Genis-Vell energy manip. All three of those characters would beat Wonder Woman for the majority. Enough with the red herring horsecrap. It's thinly veiled character bashing.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Character bashing? It's a comic. Character bashing is for nerds. Sentry is no Thor, nor is he Superman or Captain Marvel. To date, Captain Marvel has never beaten WW. Superman has maybe one win. The rest of their fights are inconclusive. Not like it matters. Superman is Superior to Sentry in combat. You skipped my other points. You left out Ares, Hectate, etc. Senty is a frail mental case who isn't a combat savy opponent. You act as if Molecule Man, especially the one portrayed in that story, is a battle savy character. Sentry doesn't do that well against characters that are highly skilled and have high resources. Name one physical character Sentry has beaten on WW's level.
^ Circe is a glorified Morgana le Fey. We saw what happened to her. Captain Marvel and Superman do not get beaten for a majority because of Wonder Woman's lasso.Sentry's weak psyche has nothing to do with Thor+ physicality, MM+ matter manip and Photon Genis-Vell energy manip. All three of those characters would beat Wonder Woman for the majority. Enough with the red herring horsecrap. It's thinly veiled character bashing.
Originally posted by Comics QueenSuperman > Wonder Woman. Captain Marvel > Wonder Woman.
Character bashing? It's a comic. Character bashing is for nerds. Sentry is no Thor, nor is he Superman or Captain Marvel. To date, Captain Marvel has never beaten WW. Superman has maybe one win. The rest of their fights are inconclusive. Not like it matters. Superman is Superior to Sentry in combat. You skipped my other points. You left out Ares, Hectate, etc. Senty is a frail mental case who isn't a combat savy opponent. You act as if Molecule Man, especially the one portrayed in that story, is a battle savy character. Sentry doesn't do that well against characters that are highly skilled and have high resources. Name one physical character Sentry has beaten on WW's level.
You want to act like they're not, then you're mind has already been made up. She gives them fights to the bitter end, but they're above her.
Thor > Wonder Woman. Molecule Man > Wonder Woman. Photon Genis-Vell > Wonder Woman.
And Sentry didn't need a convenient plot device to defeat/match each of those characters in the exact specialities they excel in, i.e., physical power, matter manip, energy manip. Sentry stomps Wonder Woman-level foes when Maria Hill/Stark/Osborne aren't yelling at him to hold back. Pretending Wonder Woman presents some sort of insurmountable physical challenge that Sentry has never faced before evinces a complete ignorance of his character. Pretending that her lasso presents an utterly broken game-changer when it doesn't do so in other hypohetical fghts against Sentry's peers/lessers is red herring bs.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0You said alot of stuff but addressed nothing I posted. You giving equations of who you think is superior to whom doesn't matter. Address the issues I presented or leave me to address others who are adressing my points as I have addressed theirs. Oh and Circe creates Superman level foes. Of course she can defeat them. She held out the JLA and JSA with one single spell in Amazons attack. Even Superman was unable to breach the shield.
Superman > Wonder Woman. Captain Marvel > Wonder Woman.You want to act like they're not, then you're mind has already been made up. She gives them fights to the bitter end, but they're above her.
Thor > Wonder Woman. Molecule Man > Wonder Woman. Photon Genis-Vell > Wonder Woman.
And Sentry didn't need a convenient plot device to defeat/match each of those characters in the exact specialities they excel in, i.e., physical power, matter manip, energy manip. Sentry stomps Wonder Woman-level foes when Maria Hill/Stark/Osborne aren't yelling at him to hold back. Pretending Wonder Woman presents some sort of insurmountable physical challenge that Sentry has never faced before evinces a complete ignorance of his character. Pretending that her lasso presents an utterly broken game-changer when it doesn't do so in other hypohetical fghts against Sentry's peers/lessers is red herring bs.
Originally posted by Comics QueenIrony.
You said alot of stuff but addressed nothing I posted.
Originally posted by Comics QueenSo an unamped, under her own power Circe doesn't instantaneously annihilate Superman-level foes with a single spell. Good to know.
Oh and Circe creates Superman level foes. Of course she can defeat them. She held out the JLA and JSA with one single spell in Amazons attack. Even Superman was unable to breach the shield.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ This. Especially by the time Sentry's story was winding down. Sentry's holding back though still puts him on the level where he gives World War Hulk freebie shots, stalemates Photon Genis-Vell, curbstomps Terrax, one-shots Doom instantly, and beats Molecule Man at his own game.People wanting to use a Sentry who is pacifying himself can go ahead and make a thread with jobbing Sentry who did not start discovering the full extent of his powers and started blurring the distinction between Void and Sentry.
Vs threads use current incarnations. Not a specific older incarnation who jobbed in a specific fight. Not exactly.
Its pretty obvious to me. His only low showings comes from his running or fearing the thought of unleashing a percentage of his power. Hell, the WWH fight was proof of this when he "thanked" Hulk for letting him unleash a portion of his power.
Then we have the Void completely STOMPING the Fantastic 4, Avengers, along with a couple of other hero's that were out there and Sentry was the only key, only power source capable of stopping Void.
The only thing the Void is, is a split personality of a unleashed bob... that's why the Void is only unleashed during a change in Sentrys attitude.
To not accept the Void is to not accept Sentry.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I was unaware that DC comics had many deaths on canvas. That isn't their company policy. I haven't seen Sentry kill a WW level foe on panel either.
Irony. So an unamped, under her own power Circe doesn't instantaneously annihilate Superman-level foes with a single spell. Good to know.