Bor vs. Silver Surfer

Originally posted by kgkg
Not really it took Thor and BRB to put that Skrull down point is getting hurt and needing help with a Superskrull = not skyfather

I mean how many battle feat does Odin force Thor has? and already he has two bad showings.

Zeus stalemated with classic Thor for a whole comic and classic Thor still wouldn't give up. Does that automatically negate his status as a skyfather? No. So how does kicking the crap out of a Superskrull in a few pages prevent Thor from being a skyfather?

And Rulk = puke.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[B]Exactly how much help did BRB give Thor in the fight? Are you talking about when Thor decided to become Donald Blake to go doctoring in Broxton and lent BRB Mjolnir to fight in his place? Because once Thor came back, BRB was pretty much down on the ground the whole time Thor started beating on the Super Skrull. Did you read it wrong?

He pretty much kicked the crap out of the Super Skrull.

now Thor vs Skrull

See the Skrull is fine and up till the very end just before Asgard starts to fall and you also see BRB with thor

Zeus stalemated with classic Thor for a whole comic and classic Thor still wouldn't give up. Does that automatically negate his status as a skyfather? No. So how does kicking the crap out of a Superskrull in a few pages prevent Thor from being a skyfather? And Rulk = puke.

what prevents Thor from being skyfather level is lack of feats and few bad showing like I posted above this would be fine he had more feats to gauge his level

Like i said before is it a possibility that thor is skyfather? Sure
Has he shown he deserves to be called one? Nope not yet

Going by high end feat we might as well call Surfer cosmic level

Originally posted by kgkg
BRB was down when Blake came back then Skrull and Thor started fighting I will post the scan again

Not only did the Skrull fight brb after he had thor locked down till help came

True but the only thing the efect Thor was the comic flames that came from stormbreaker that hurt Thor. Thor was a little ahead before that

now Thor vs Skrull

See the Skrull is fine and up till the very end just before Asgard starts to fall and you also see BRB with thor

Hardy fine the sword sticking out of it chest seems to hurt not to mention the blast Thor took when he stoped stormbreaker was huge.

Zeus is a bad example that an extremely low showing for him

Agreed but is was not a low showing for Zeus imo he was playing with Thor and just teaching him a lesson.

what prevents Thor from being skyfather level is lack of feats and few bad showing like I posted above this would be fine he had more feats to gauge his level

Like i said before is it a possibility that thor is skyfather? Sure
Has he shown he deserves to be called one? Nope not yet

Well i halfway agree other then the Bor fight Thor has no combat feats to support him be a skyfather. But some of his other like i mention ealry are more then worthy

Going by high end feat we might as well call Surfer cosmic level

Well this is a little much lol

Originally posted by kgkg
BRB was down when Blake came back then Skrull and Thor started fighting I will post the scan again

Not only did the Skrull fight brb after he had thor locked down till help came

Originally posted by kgkg
See the Skrull is fine and up till the very end just before Asgard starts to fall and you also see BRB with thor

Looks like the last gasp of a dying animal. She throws away her only weapon to try and destroy Broxton out of spite and manages to pound on the Warrior's Three for a minute before Thor comes back again and pounds her. Thor was the one who dropped Asgard on her, not Beta Ray Bill. Nowhere does Beta Ray Bill help Thor in his fight.

Originally posted by kgkg
Zeus is a bad example that an extremely low showing for him

what prevents Thor from being skyfather level is lack of feats and few bad showing like I posted above this would be fine he had more feats to gauge his level

Like i said before is it a possibility that thor is skyfather? Sure
Has he shown he deserves to be called one? Nope not yet

Going by high end feat we might as well call Surfer cosmic level

Only two feats you need in light of his fight with Bor, the father of Odin: Thor recreating the entirety of Asgard from thin air. Thor keeping Asgard perpetually levitating, even when he's knocked unconscious after freeing the Asgardians, even when he enters the Odinsleep, even when he nearly gets killed fighting Bor. Take that together with him taking a full-on Destroyer blast (something that killed him in one shot before), fighting Surtur without looking like a gnat (which he used to be), and the obvious fact that he possesses Odin's power and he's definitely well past top tier.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
he's definitely well past top tier.

^ Let's face it. We all got owned by Rulk. And not in a good way.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
😐 Really? Yeesh.
How massive was it?

And I'm not sure how keeping Asgard up means anything really...

Originally posted by Mekrob
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/SilverSurfer-v4-013-14.jpg

And I'm not sure how keeping Asgard up means anything really...

Keeping Asgard perpetually levitated unless he says "Fall," means that he has power that he can spare at all times. Even when he is on the brink of death. And this power isn't separate from himself. I'm sure that Dr. Strange could ask the Vishanti to power a spell to keep his mansion guarded at all times, but that isn't Strange's personal power, it's a skyfather's power, power a skyfather can spare.

This. This is Thor's power now. He doesn't request any power other than that which is within him now, the Odinforce. You want to argue that, it's fine. Let me ask you, who can materialize the entirety of Asgard out of thin air? He didn't just summon it from where it was resting in another dimension. He completely rebuilt it, down to every brick, stone, treasure piece and tree... from thin air of his own personal power. Who does that?

surfer healing a planet >> summoning asgard..

Thor healing Galactus > Surfer healing planet?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Thor healing Galactus > Surfer healing planet?

Er thor doesnt really sem to know whats going on on that scan and rather seems to just be providing a power source for the tech which is doing the actual healing. Also surfer didnt actually just heal the planet, he evolved it by billions of years. though i really dont know where all this is leading anyways.

^ The tech channeled Mjolnir's and Thor's own power and combined it with Galactus' self-healing processes. That's all the tech did. It was only powered by Mjolnir, and much to Thor's dismay, powered by Thor's own energies. So considering classic Thor had the power output to heal an Abstract entity...

I don't really know where all this is leading anyway either. Current Thor isn't your father's thunder god. He's got feats that skyrocket him past his old incarnation. An old incarnation that had his own fair share of amazing feats and was able to match skyfathers. Current Thor isn't just a top-tier.

looks like Thor's mallet simply acts as the spark-plug... the healing energies being both within and without Galactus.

also, Surfer has both healed Thor and, according to Thor, almost killed him with a nonchallant blast ...

as for the Asgard thing, it's simply Thor hooking it upto the Odinforce, as far as I can tell ... Thor accesses this source of power, but he doesn't have it fully, he can provide other things with access to it too (as an example, his hammer is more powerful than he is, it better channels the Odinforce and it is tougher to overcome than himself).

Originally posted by janus77
looks like Thor's mallet simply acts as the spark-plug... the healing energies being both within and without Galactus.

also, Surfer has both healed Thor and, according to Thor, almost killed him with a nonchallant blast ...

as for the Asgard thing, it's simply Thor hooking it upto the Odinforce, as far as I can tell ... Thor accesses this source of power, but he doesn't have it fully, he can provide other things with access to it too (as an example, his hammer is more powerful than he is, it better channels the Odinforce and it is tougher to overcome than himself).

Thor has pretty much appeared superior to Surfer in nearly every one of their encounters.

Where else does the Odinforce reside other than Thor? If someone wanted to steal it, where would they steal it from? Thor was always more than Mjolnir. I shouldn't have to post scans to prove this.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
He completely rebuilt it, down to every brick, stone, treasure piece and tree... from thin air of his own personal power. Who does that?

no he didn't. there's no rainbow bridge 😂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Galactus was shrinking at a geometric rate. He had no energies to heal himself with. The only power source was Thor and Mjolnir. That's it.

Hmm. What i seem to grasp from the scan is that thors lifeforce provided the energy for galactus' self healing process. Now thats impressive but i dont think it really tells us that much about thors poweroutput. For one galactus has shown that he can replenish himself from the lifeforce of regular humans. Thors lifeforce is exponentially stronger than that of humans and hence he was able to use it to replenish galactus. Obviously very impressive but given the context i dont think the statement about thors power output being able to power an abstract being is a 100 percent accurate.

Originally posted by kgkg
I find it funny that you used It's like me asking you if thor can shot heat vision out of his eyes

Just wanna say that Thor w/ Odinforce kinda does have Heat Vision. As King Thor he used it to completely annihilate Wolverine, even bending his adamantium skeleton with the force.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Galactus was shrinking at a geometric rate. He had no energies to heal himself with. The only power source was Thor and Mjolnir. That's it.

Thor has pretty much appeared superior to Surfer in nearly every one of their encounters.

Where else does the Odinforce reside other than Thor? If someone wanted to steal it, where would they steal it from? Thor was always more than Mjolnir. I shouldn't have to post scans to prove this.

what I see in the scan is Thor's mallet acting as a spark, nothing more than that.

as regards the Odinforce, I was always under the impression that it was a mystical force to which Thor was connected, like Surfer and the Power Cosmic. the force/source is external, but they can absorb an amount within themselves, can channel and use more from without ...

just as mjolnir's powered by Odinforce, so Asgard is maintained by it, but Thor has a greater access to and capacity to manipulate, that force. he's not the origin of it.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
no he didn't. there's no rainbow bridge 😂

Originally posted by Naija boy
Hmm. What i seem to grasp from the scan is that thors lifeforce provided the energy for galactus' self healing process. Now thats impressive but i dont think it really tells us that much about thors poweroutput. For one galactus has shown that he can replenish himself from the lifeforce of regular humans. Thors lifeforce is exponentially stronger than that of humans and hence he was able to use it to replenish galactus. Obviously very impressive but given the context i dont think the statement about thors power output being able to power an abstract being is a 100 percent accurate.

Originally posted by janus77
what I see in the scan is Thor's mallet acting as a spark, nothing more than that.

as regards the Odinforce, I was always under the impression that it was a mystical force to which Thor was connected, like Surfer and the Power Cosmic. the force/source is external, but they can absorb an amount within themselves, can channel and use more from without ...

just as mjolnir's powered by Odinforce, so Asgard is maintained by it, but Thor has a greater access to and capacity to manipulate, that force. he's not the origin of it.

As I understand it, the Surfer isn't connected to the Power Cosmic like Quasar is connected to the Quantum Zone or the Green Lanterns are connected to the Central Power Battery. There is no single one store of Power Cosmic from which he draws on. Surfer wields the Power Cosmic from within himself as do all the other PC-wielders. Likewise, there is no mystical dimension where the Odinforce is stored. Odin had it. Thor has it. If you steal it from him, it's yours. You can imbue items with Odinforce, but that comes at a personal expense. You don't open a door into a dimension and let that energy flow into an item. That's not how Odin powered Thor's armor against Thanos. That's not how Odin imbued Mjolnir or Stormbreaker. Thor doesn't call on the Vishanti for Odinforce. Thor just draws it out from himself. It's a personal power.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
uhuh
I never said he could power an abstract being. I said Thor healed Galactus in response to people pointing out that Surfer healed Earth.

Understood.