DARKSIED with soul fire formula and all new god souls vs THANOS with IG

Originally posted by Enyalus
Some might think this is a good matchup, but its definitely not.

Thanos walks over this match with little trouble.

Originally posted by beast1234
darkseid win this he was able to fight the source to a standstill. the IG gives you power on a universal scale but the source has power that is between universal/multiversal scale

Originally posted by Enyalus
Lucifer and Michael were shown to be beyond The Source's power. Spectre and probably Radiant and anyone tied to The Presence's power would probably be, too. So no...

The Source is an aspect of the Presence it's not some alien entity outside of the hierachy of the Presence. The Source is the origin of the concept of Energy and I know for a fact that Spectre and Radiant are below the Source. Micheal and Lucifer are the children of the Presence, so they don't count.

Originally posted by Allankles
Except the source isn't some dude that can be fought and then replaced.

Originally posted by Allankles
Again, I said the Source is equal to HOTU by it's function. All energy regardless of its nature is linked to the Source. The fact that the IG could defeat Eternity just porves that Eternity is nothing like the Source, as the Source governs the very idea of energy and creation, it is an aspect of the Presence (the supreme being).

Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah! The SFE was Darkseid's link to the Source which governs the idea of energy. If Eternity is getting defeated by another energy, then he obviously isn't on the same level as the source, which as I've already stated is an aspect of the Presence and the ultimate authority on the concept of energy and creation.

Originally posted by Allankles
The Source is an aspect of the Presence it's not some alien entity outside of the hierachy of the Presence.

facepalm This is where I don't get your argument. Because quite clearly, Eternity is an aspect of God/TOAA. Hell, Eternity has even be called God before. And while The Source was giving birth to the Primordial Giants and the New Gods, Eternity was giving birth to the Celestials and the Seven Friendless...

DS couldn't beat The Source. He's not beating Thanos here.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Source isn't the presence.

It is an aspect of the Presence active in the main DCU. And it's already been shown to be above the Spectre.

The Source from DOTNG has been retconned as not being the true source. The true Source, is now the same one with the Presence, and it's practically the Void, in which the 'story' takes place. If we take it by what it was pre-Final Crisis then yes, I'd agree that the Source was basically THOTU, or at least similar. DOTNG did somehow make me facepalm though.

Originally posted by Allankles
It is an aspect of the Presence active in the main DCU. And it's already been shown to be above the Spectre.

The point is Ds couldn't step to the presence, but he could step and tap into the power of the Source.

Thanos wins here.

Originally posted by Philosophía
The Source from DOTNG has been retconned as not being the true source. The true Source, is now the same one with the Presence, and it's practically the Void, in which the 'story' takes place. If we take it by what it was pre-Final Crisis then yes, I'd agree that the Source was basically THOTU, or at least similar. DOTNG did somehow make me facepalm though.

Originally posted by Philosophía
The Source from DOTNG has been retconned as not being the true source. The true Source, is now the same one with the Presence, and it's practically the Void, in which the 'story' takes place. If we take it by what it was pre-Final Crisis then yes, I'd agree that the Source was basically THOTU, or at least similar. DOTNG did somehow make me facepalm though.

I was wondering how they would reconcile the Primal Monitor with The Presence and The Source...

Originally posted by Enyalus
facepalm This is where I don't get your argument. Because quite clearly, Eternity is an aspect of God/TOAA. Hell, Eternity has even be called God before. And while The Source was giving birth to the Primordial Giants and the New Gods, Eternity was giving birth to the Celestials and the Seven Friendless...

DS couldn't beat The Source. He's not beating Thanos here.

Except the Source governs all energy and DS was tapping into the Source via the SFE. The IG was above Eternity's influence so obviously it can't be equal to the Source.

The difference is that all energy is tied to the Source, the IG was above the supposed authority on energy Eternity. Big difference.

The Source is unquantifiable as it governs the very idea of energy and creation.

And let's not get into a compare contrast argument. The infinity gems shouldn't be above Eternity if it is the origin of the concept of energy, unless the gems preceded Eternity and are above him.

Originally posted by Allankles
Except the Source governs all energy and DS was tapping into the Source via the SFE. The IG was above Eternity's influence so obviously it can't be equal to the Source.

The difference is that all energy is tied to the Source, the IG was above the supposed authority on energy Eternity. Big difference.

The Source is unquantifiable as it governs the very idea of energy and creation.

And let's not get into a compare contrast argument. The infinity gems shouldn't be above Eternity if it is the origin of the concept of energy, unless the gems preceded Eternity and are above him.

Originally posted by Allankles
The infinity gems shouldn't be above Eternity if it is the origin of the concept of energy, unless the gems preceded Eternity and are above him.

Ding ding ding.

Originally posted by quanchi112
COIE Am was also above the Spectre and so was an amped Captain Marvel. Being above the Spectre has happened more than a few times.

That was then...

Originally posted by quanchi112
The point is Ds couldn't step to the presence, but he could step and tap into the power of the Source.

The Presence is everything and exists outside and within all aspects of creation, no one is stepping to the Presence. The Source is an aspect of the Presence active within the DCU omniverse/multiverse.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Ding ding ding.

At least I know he argues now when he hasn't read the ig story even though he has told me over and over again how badly Thanos quest sucked and that this was a crucial piece of that particular story.

Originally posted by quanchi112
At least I know he argues now when he hasn't read the ig story even though he has told me over and over again how badly Thanos quest sucked and that this was a crucial piece of that particular story.

I really liked Thanos Quest. I didn't care for IG, though. I thought IW was much better. *shrug*

Originally posted by Allankles
That was then...

The Presence is everything and exists outside and within all aspects of creation, no one is stepping to the Presence. The Source is an aspect of the Presence active within the DCU omniverse/multiverse.

Yes, the Source is nowhere near as powerful or all encompassing as the Presense so stop bringing the presence up.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Ding ding ding.

Glad you supported my argument, because nothing but the Presence preceded the Source and the Source is part of the Presence. Which means Eternity is not equal to the Source.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I really liked Thanos Quest. I didn't care for IG, though. I thought IW was much better. *shrug*

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the Source is nowhere near as powerful or all encompassing as the Presense so stop bringing the presence up.

The Source is the part of the Presence which governs the concept of energy within the main DCU.

Originally posted by Allankles
Glad you supported my argument, because nothing but the Presence preceded the Source and the Source is part of the Presence. Which means Eternity is not equal to the Source.