Source vs. Eternity vs. Ultimator vs. Alien Entity

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Source vs. Eternity vs. Ultimator vs. Alien Entity

Some have tried to say that the source and eternity are more or less representations of each other. So when introduciing other beings that represent everything as stated on panel, who is actually most powerful? Next most powereful, etc.

Mindset Senior Member

Not the Source

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Eating 5-D Imps like candy is > anything I've seen the other chumps do. uhuh

xJLxKing Senior Member

Ultimator is like...everything. He is everything that is, that will be, can be, should be, shall be, might be...etc. He is very strong!! He killed many 5-D imps. I give him the win

occultdestroyer The Original One

Going by feats, Alien Entity takes.
I know recreating the Marvel Omniverse isn't really a battle feat, but it shows how powerful this 'omnipotent' being truly was.

Going by implied power, The Source wins.
It empowers everything within the DCU, which includes Ultimator herself.

Tattoos N Scars Modern Day Drifter

I don't know who takes it....but, I know Eternity isn't the most powerful being in this thread....especially if it's just 616 Eternity.

Astner The Ghost Who Walks

Originally posted by Galan007
Eating 5-D Imps like candy is > anything I've seen the other chumps do.

Ditto

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Going by feats, Alien Entity takes.
I know recreating the Marvel Omniverse isn't really a battle feat, but it shows how powerful this 'omnipotent' being truly was.
That was a shared feat with Reed, anyway:

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Going by implied power, The Source wins.
It empowers everything within the DCU, which includes Ultimator herself.
Considering there are quite a few characters who are independent of the Source, your statement doesn't hold true at all. Plus the fact that we've never seen the Source 'empowering' any characters outside of the mainstream DC universe/4th World.

occultdestroyer The Original One

Originally posted by Galan007

Considering there are quite a few characters who are independent of the Source, your statement doesn't hold true at all. Plus the fact that we've never seen the Source affect a character outside of the mainstream DC universe/4th World.

I see.
There are "omnipotent" beings that The Source does not power, like Lucifer or Elaine Belloc

Galan007 |Quantum Observer|

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
I see.
There are "omnipotent" beings that The Source does not power, like Lucifer or Elaine Belloc
And also far less than omnipotent beings (ie. The Shade/Culp.)

SoulDevourer M0DERAT0R

id give this to eternity (IF its multi-eternity)

Mr Master Junior Member

The Alien Entity is the embodiment of the Marvel Universe's Past, Present & Future.

The Alien Entity literally created from withIN itself
the "Spark" that ignites the original Big Bang,
and indeed used that "Spark" to do just that.

Then the AE used Reed's mind as a guide, (a map if you will of the Marvel Universe)
and so the AE proceeded to create anew the Marvel Universe,
this re-creation was so absolute,
Reed was able to literally be the one responsible for giving himself & the FF their powers,
by manipulating the rays from 1961.

Wow.

Then the AE proceeded to merge with everything that was created,
including the Fires of Creation (Big Bang)
including the unseen Future of the Marvel Universe.

Incredible.

That's what the FF arc left us with on panel,
this fact is corroborated by the only Marvel reference we have concerning the arc.

* IMO ... The Alien Entity may be the most powerful character in Marvel,
due to this insane feat, and the fact that the feat continues into who knows what.

* Edit: (uhh, not more powerful than you know who though)

SoulDevourer M0DERAT0R

so does this means Alien Entity > PR Beyonder and TOAA?

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

so does this means Alien Entity > PR Beyonder and TOAA?


I meant in a current hierarchy,
and the AE is nothing but ink & paper to TOAA, like everything else in the Omniverse.

cloud102 Senior Member

It comes down to Ultimator and AE.

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach

The Source is above the Ultimator. It is the ovoid, and it's seperated from the main DCU by the Source Wall.

Allankles Kwisatz Haderach
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
Going by implied power, The Source wins.
It empowers everything within the DCU, which includes Ultimator herself.

It is the cosmic pool in which all the DCU floats (including the Monitor's world), it is the essence of life itself. It has no shape no form, it simply is.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by Allankles

It is the cosmic pool in which all the DCU floats (including the Monitor's world), it is the essence of life itself. It has no shape no form, it simply is.


Imo, from the debates I had in the past concerning the Source,
Eternity/Infinity do what the Source is/does on an every moment basis.

In fact, the Source was created with the Universe.

occultdestroyer The Original One

I believe that The Source itself is far more powerful than Ultimator, or any imp or genie.

Ultimator only has one showing: Eating a bunch of 5D imps.
A feat The Source can replicate, or even surpass.

I'm quite sure that if I make a "The Source VS Ultimator" thread, the general consensus would be in favor of The Source.

kevdude The Hooded Man

Originally posted by Mr Master
Imo, from the debates I had in the past concerning the Source,
Eternity/Infinity do what the Source is/does on an every moment basis.

In fact, the Source was created with the Universe.

From what you have shown Eternity's heartbeat began after the big bang something The Source made all by itself 🙂, haven't seen much of Infinity to put it beyond Eternity either as they are 2 side of the other what I see...