Originally posted by iceman24567
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Originally posted by Enyalus
I have a canon source that says the 5th Dimension is outside of 'Creation' (IE the DCU including The Source)...implying that 10th dimensional beings would also be.
And just like The Source, The Word, etc., they are aspects of The Presence himself, which is logically far more powerful than the Ultimator.
Originally posted by MindsetIt was a shared feat in the sense that the AE specifically stated he could not control that which he'd unleashed, due to lack of knowledge. AE then went on to say he needed Reed - lest creation itself literally crumble (see the scans I posted earlier.)
It was a shared feat in the sense that he used Reed's knowledge, the actual recreation was AE alone.
In short, with Reed that feat is uber. Without him, not so much.
Originally posted by Galan007It was a shared feat in the sense that the AE specifically stated he could not control that which he'd unleashed, due to lack of knowledge. AE then went on to say he needed Reed - lest creation itself literally crumble (see the scans I posted earlier.)
In short, with Reed that feat is uber. Without him, not so much.
It's true, AE used Reed's mind as a guide to create the Marvelverse anew
but to say what AE did was not uber, is not right imo.
Anywho, in the end,
this is the AE as last seen,
and AE as last seen is merged with all of Marvel's Past/Present/Future.
So basically,
it's all of Marvel's past/present & future (AE) rolled into one coming at ya. 😛
Originally posted by Mr Master
AE on it's own reverted Marvel back to it's pre-Big Bang point.
AE on it's own (physically) created the "spark" that ignites the Fires of Creation.
AE on it's own set the "spark" in motion.
AE manipulated/controlled the Fires of Creation
& then merged with everything he created including the Fires of Creation itself.It's true, AE used Reed's mind as a guide to create the Marvelverse anew
but to say what AE did was not uber, is not right imo.Anywho, in the end,
this is the AE as last seen,
and AE as last seen is merged with all of Marvel's Past/Present/Future.So basically,
it's all of Marvel's past/present & future (AE) rolled into one coming at ya. 😛
Just so we are clear....
Infinity/Eternity represent all of space and time...
Thus... they together are the alien being?..
what the.. awww i'm just messing with you. 😄
Originally posted by occultdestroyer
I disagree.
Vertigo, as well as Wildstorm, is part of DC 52.
Originally posted by Juntai
Another one, this time from the Vertigo Editor.http://forum.newsarama.com/showthread.php?t=124899
"Wayne repeated his answer from an earlier panel that Vertigo is not one of the 52 Universes of the DC Multiverse."
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Originally posted by Mr MasterWhich is all somewhat moot. By the AE's own accord, he couldn't even control all that power he'd unleashed, without Reed's assistance.
AE on it's own reverted Marvel back to it's pre-Big Bang point.
AE on it's own (physically) created the "spark" that ignites the Fires of Creation.
AE on it's own set the "spark" in motion.
AE manipulated/controlled the Fires of Creation
& then merged with everything he created including the Fires of Creation itself.
Originally posted by Mr MasterUltimately, all the AE alone did was manifest a completely unstable creation. A place that would have destroyed itself without Reed's help anyway.
It's true, AE used Reed's mind as a guide to create the Marvelverse anew
but to say what AE did was not uber, is not right imo.
So while it was pretty cool what the AE did solo style - it was nowhere near as impressive as what the AE + Reed achieved.
Regarding this bullshit about the Source equalling eternity: The Godwave was an expression of the Source's power, and the energy that created the pantheons and super powered beings. It was only a small portion of the Source's power.
The WORLOGOG, is but a fragment of the Source, and even a piece of that would make one>>>Eternity.
The freaking Source itself, is an aspect of the Presence. 👇
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Regarding this bullshit about the Source equalling eternity: The Godwave was an expression of the Source's power, and the energy that created the pantheons and super powered beings. It was only a small portion of the Source's power.
And Eternity pwn'd an Incomplete Infinity Gauntlet. The same Gauntlet that is above the Ultimate Nullifier....which itself can destroy and recreate the entire multiverse.
Juntai, thanks for the info regarding Vertigo. Didn't know where that stood in terms of DC's 52 universes. I know the Wildstorm Universe is supposed to be #50, but even that doesn't really make sense. The Authority, for instance, visits hundreds of different Earths. Sorta weird, considering per FC, there should only be 52.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Alien Entity is the embodiment of the Marvel Universe's Past, Present & Future.The Alien Entity literally created from withIN itself
the "Spark" that ignites the original Big Bang,
and indeed used that "Spark" to do just that.Then the AE used Reed's mind as a guide, (a map if you will of the Marvel Universe)
and so the AE proceeded to create anew the Marvel Universe,
this re-creation was so absolute,
Reed was able to literally be the one responsible for giving himself & the FF their powers,
by manipulating the rays from 1961.Wow.
Then the AE proceeded to merge with everything that was created,
including the Fires of Creation (Big Bang)
including the unseen Future of the Marvel Universe.Incredible.
That's what the FF arc left us with on panel,
this fact is corroborated by the only Marvel reference we have concerning the arc.* IMO ... The Alien Entity may be the most powerful character in Marvel,
due to this insane feat, and the fact that the feat continues into who knows what.* Edit: (uhh, not more powerful than you know who though)
Hey MM long time no speak. Hows things?!! 😱
"The embodiment of Marvels Past, Present and Future?"
I dont remember reading that in the story arc. Can you point me to the specific statement or single scan that says that?
With regards to that F4 story arc it wasnt the Alien Entity and Reed that did anything in and of themselves. It was Eternity.
Both guys travelled back in time to the point before the Big Bang and their questions on existence triggered the creation event as Eternity had done before them.
How did they do this? Because as explained in the comic, everyone and everything in the universe are as much a part of Eternity as the stars and planets themselves.
According to the comic it was originally Eternitys questions on the meaning of existence that caused the creation event. And the creation cycle is Eternitys way of finding out the answer to his question. What is the meaning of life?
As extensions of Eternity, as parts of Eternity himself Reed and the Alien were able to trigger the creation event in the same way he did originally because they like everything else make up Eternity. So they were able to substitute for him.
That is why the not especially significant(on a cosmic level) Reed and the Alien Entity who lacked the power to defend himself from some alien soldiers, were able to pull off such a monumental feat. It had nothing to do with any inherent power. They were just able to take Eternitys role because as made clear in the comic, everything in the universe is Eternity.
Originally posted by EnyalusEach of the 52 is a multiverse.
And Eternity pwn'd an Incomplete Infinity Gauntlet. The same Gauntlet that is above the Ultimate Nullifier....which itself can destroy and recreate the entire multiverse itself.Juntai, thanks for the info regarding Vertigo. Didn't know where that stood in terms of DC's 52 universes. I know the Wildstorm Universe is supposed to be #50, but even that doesn't really make sense. The Authority, for instance, visits hundreds of different Earths. Sorta weird, considering per FC, there should only be 52.
Reed and the Entitys desire to understand, their questions on their own existence were TRIGGERS for the creation event:
It was no feat of power. He was a trigger. Not a creator. That point is stated explicitly. There is no room for interpretation there.
If i light up a stick of dynamite i am the trigger for the resultant explosion, i am not the generator of the explosive power.
When Reed and the Entity travelled back to the pre 616 void and asked what is the meaning of life when they questioned existence they triggered the Big Bang.
However it happened in the exact same way as when Eternity did it (prior to their time travelling and interference) because as revealed they are Eternity. They like everyone else are extensions of him. As stated as much a part of him as the stars. Therefore as stated the reason life was created in Marvel was because Eternity strived to understand his own existence (presumably whilst in the cosmic egg) and THAT proved to be the catalyst for the creation event.
The Alien Entity and Reed were merely substitutes for Eternity because they like EVERYONE ELSE are Eternity. The Alien Entity is no great universal creator. Neither is Reed Richards.
