Originally posted by hawkwindReed is not smarter than batman, he is however much more of a scientific genius than batman, but bats is far more battle strategic than reed, Bruce could possibly learn the workings of reeds gadgets and weapons and will probably put them to better BATTLE use than reed himself.
either way i go with reed,he is smarter than batman,and reed is impossible to injure,overall batman is outclassed and outmatched.
Batman would need abit of luck and the right gear to stop Reed in H2H. And I'm fairly sure Reed has been able to amp his strength with his stretching.
2nd round, Batman. Not because he's smarter. But because he's exactly the wrong kind of opponent for Reed. He's not a scientist per say. He's a strategist and a man who uses fear as a weapon. Batman and MM were the chief tacticians and strategists for the league, and Batman is the definition of "Crazy-prepared."
Originally posted by shiv
Sudden; Batman
Prep; BatmanIf Batman can survive sudden ambushes from prepped
Predators,
Ivy,
parademons,
Clayface
Madame Rogue
PlasticMan's Son
Aquaman
WW
Prepped Omacs
etcIt would require a plot device for Bats to jobb in a random encounter with Reed.
Reed can only score a win here if Batman jobbs
😐
You don't think that it might be everyone else who jobs against Batman? Batkick jokes aside, Batman has no business beating any of the characters you listed in a random encounter without the aid of some all-too-convenient plot device.
Originally posted by shivthat's asinine.
Sudden; Batman
Prep; BatmanIf Batman can survive sudden ambushes from prepped
Predators,
Ivy,
parademons,
Clayface
Madame Rogue
PlasticMan's Son
Aquaman
WW
Prepped Omacs
etcIt would require a plot device for Bats to jobb in a random encounter with Reed.
Reed can only score a win here if Batman jobbs
that's like saying fire burns strong wood, melts hard plastics, burns flesh, warps metal, etc, it will obviously take out a lowly bucket of water. reed is problem for batman physically and mentally.
mr. fantastic's powers make him extremely difficult to harm by someone of batman's level, fights like these greatly depend on what batman is packing.
Originally posted by shiv😂
Sudden; Batman
Prep; BatmanIf Batman can survive sudden ambushes from prepped
Predators,
Ivy,
parademons,
Clayface
Madame Rogue
PlasticMan's Son
Aquaman
WW
Prepped Omacs
etcIt would require a plot device for Bats to jobb in a random encounter with Reed.
Reed can only score a win here if Batman jobbs
facepalm
Dudes if Batman can evade wide range attacks from Ivy, Freeze Winged Batmutants, and the firing squad of the week he can evade Stretch with ease Its not like Stretch has speed in excess of a speeding bullet or one of Green Arrows arrows which Batman regularly catches and intercepts and kicks aside with ridiculous ease.
Reed isn't fast enough to make contact With Batman, hell even Etrigan with Demon Speed isn't fast enough. Neither is Deathstroke against a fresh Bat.
But if batman is distracted by a burning building full of screaming civilians and Joker making a getaway, or a priority text message with nasty pics from Catwoman Reed would have an opportunity to score a win.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
that's asinine.that's like saying fire burns strong wood, melts hard plastics, burns flesh, warps metal, etc, it will obviously take out a lowly bucket of water.
Fire boils water and in a Coal Power Plant That means electricity on the national grid.
You do realise Reed is vulnerable to Fire and xtreme temperatures
Batman pimpslaps Reed with the utility belt
Re: Batman vs Mr Fantastic.
Originally posted by lawest9
1) without prep and sudden.2) with 1 hour prep time.
Who wins?
With his utility belt, Batman may have a chance in thr first one. Not sure against Reed's powers.
In the second one, its an absolute curbstomp for Reed. Batman with months of prep may come up with complex world dominating computer and satellite systems. Reed comes up with ways to break into heaven and steal Galactus's powers. Batman's ultimate prep achievements are worth an hour for Reed to come up with.
Originally posted by Eternal Idol
😐You don't think that it might be everyone else who jobs against Batman? Batkick jokes aside, Batman has no business beating any of the characters you listed in a random encounter without the aid of some all-too-convenient plot device.
Exactly. There was a Supergirl comic where it was stated nicely. Dark Supergirl says something like, "This is ridiculous. You're just a man. Why hasn't somebody just ripped your head off long ago?"
The other Supergirl says, "Because he's Batman." Translation: "Convenient plot devices to save his butt".
Illustration: As Supergirl comes at him, he flashes a bright light in her face and that blinds her for a moment. Ignoring: 1. Her speed; 2. WTF? How does that have any affect on Supergirl? 3. Why doesn't she, one nano-second later, rip his head off anyway?
Without PIS, Batman just doesn't make it.
There was a recent FF where Reed had to take on a military unit and they went into it with an attitude of, "He's a genius but when it comes to powers, he got the short end. I mean, stretching? Right. What can that do?" Then of course he annihilates them with no gadgets, just his powers.
ok well would plastic man not be about the same as reed power wise?....my point is batman got in trouble with the league when they found out he had files on them all their powers and weaknesses so couldn't one assume that the same weaknesses plastic man has reed would have?...with that said i think with prep he would stand a chance.....look all he has faced and the files he would have on league members that he probably use to help him here
sooo i say with prep 6/10
without i have no idea, batman would basically need his anti reed spray lol and theirs no grantee he would be carrying it lol
Originally posted by SupremeMan
Exactly. There was a Supergirl comic where it was stated nicely. Dark Supergirl says something like, "This is ridiculous. You're just a man. Why hasn't somebody just ripped your head off long ago?"
The other Supergirl says, "Because he's Batman." Translation: "Convenient plot devices to save his butt".
Illustration: As Supergirl comes at him, he flashes a bright light in her face and that blinds her for a moment. Ignoring: 1. Her speed; 2. WTF? How does that have any affect on Supergirl? 3. Why doesn't she, one nano-second later, rip his head off anyway?Without PIS, Batman just doesn't make it.
There was a recent FF where Reed had to take on a military unit and they went into it with an attitude of, "He's a genius but when it comes to powers, he got the short end. I mean, stretching? Right. What can that do?" Then of course he annihilates them with no gadgets, just his powers.
this is the way of comics and the power of flagship chracters like the goddamn batman. I love the guy but thing he does is like WTF?!
WTF. exactly
Batman chose the dark Costume creepy voice and posture to gain a psychological advantage over Villains.
This fact is laid out in 9 out of 10 batman story's
Its very effective. [Refer to The Outsiders team Batman Lead] the costume the posture and the voice induces a WTF reaction in villains and heroes
There is the feat which is shown time and again of The Bat screaming and smashing Through The glass at Wayne Manor shocking Bruce to a standstill. Its very hard to rip off someones head when all your instincts are telling you not to mess with them whether they can hurt you or not.
The Bat made a dramatic entrance and shocked Batman to a standstill yet it was not a physical contender. It pwned him with psychology, that's how TDK defeats Super Powered Villains before they've made their first move.
His Appearance freaks people out especially if they're up to no good.
Its very effective
Originally posted by shiv
WTF. exactlyBatman chose the dark Costume creepy voice and posture to gain a psychological advantage over Villains.
This fact is laid out in 9 out of 10 batman story's
Its very effective. [Refer to The Outsiders team Batman Lead] the costume the posture and the voice induces a WTF reaction in villains and heroes
There is the feat which is shown time and again of The Bat screaming and smashing Through The glass at Wayne Manor shocking Bruce to a standstill. Its very hard to rip off someones head when all your instincts are telling you not to mess with them whether they can hurt you or not.
The Bat made a dramatic entrance and shocked Batman to a standstill yet it was not a physical contender. It pwned him with psychology, that's how TDK defeats Super Powered Villains before they've made their first move.
His Appearance freaks people out especially if they're up to no good.Its very effective
Darkseid DC's premier Villain is vastly superior to Wayne and has correctly identified him as a threat not to be underestimated under any circumstances.
Superman DC's premeier Hero is vastly superior to The Caped Crusader in physical stats and has identified the Bat as his Premier Ally out of all the Superheroes available throughout the cosmos
Ra's Earths Most Respected Villain has identified his Detective as the only person suitable to continue his legacy.
The Alien Predators The Most Respected Warriors In Space Have identified him as Earth's Premier Warrior, tested Batman and found him to be more than "just a man"
Bruce Wayne is a man. The skills of the Batman transform him into something more than "just a man"
Darkseid and other superpowered characters recognise him as a threat because he's so damn smart, not because he is a threat to any of them in a face-to-face fight which is the case in the first round. And even though i believe that Batman might have something in his belt that would give him a few wins against Reed, thinking that he's a threat for guys like Superman is laughable. Supes could tear him into 1000 pieces before Batman blinks.