Batman vs Mr Fantastic.

Originally posted by shiv
Darkseid DC's premier Villain is vastly superior to Wayne and has correctly identified him as a threat not to be underestimated under any circumstances.

Superman DC's premeier Hero is vastly superior to The Caped Crusader in physical stats and has identified the Bat as his Premier Ally out of all the Superheroes available throughout the cosmos

Ra's Earths Most Respected Villain has identified his Detective as the only person suitable to continue his legacy.

The Alien Predators The Most Respected Warriors In Space Have identified him as Earth's Premier Warrior, tested Batman and found him to be more than "just a man"

Bruce Wayne is a man. The skills of the Batman transform him into something more than "just a man"

This is all true as far as deduction goes and as a leader who can coordinate how other people fight and make a team effective. Batman is a "threat" to Darkseid in the sense of figuring out what's going on and having allies that can match Darkseid's power.

That is impressive but Reed Richards is just on a whole different level. This is a guy that could do that and then personally whip up some devices to be an actual direct threat. I mean, interdimensional gateways, FTL starships, mastering Galactus level tech in about a minute, etc., etc. What has Batman done to compare to that?

Originally posted by SupremeMan
With his utility belt, Batman may have a chance in thr first one. Not sure against Reed's powers.

In the second one, its an absolute curbstomp for Reed. Batman with months of prep may come up with complex world dominating computer and satellite systems. Reed comes up with ways to break into heaven and steal Galactus's powers. Batman's ultimate prep achievements are worth an hour for Reed to come up with.

In terms of science, Reed is easily the better man. But not strategy.

I defy you to find any kind of strategic prep on par with "Obsidian Age" Or "Hyperclan" or "Tower of Babel."

Reed could not come up with the kind of things Batman does, just as Batman could not create the inventions Reed does.

Two completely different kinds of prep. As I said before, Batman is the worst kind of prep for Reed to face.

Reed in both

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
As I said before, Batman is the worst kind of prep for Reed to face.

Strategy and Tech

Excuse me guys if Black Panther can evade Reeds grabby hands w/ease what makes everyone think Reed is going to grab ahold of Batman at all.

As stated earlier Reed isn't fast enough to grab ahold of Batman.

Originally posted by shiv
Excuse me guys if Black Panther can evade Reeds grabbing hands w/ease what makes everyone think Reed is going to grab ahold of Batman at all.

As stated earlier Reed isn't fast enough to grab ahold of Batman.

Dude, Black Panther as also made an armbar on Surfer.

Is that the only thing you know about The Black Panther?

Originally posted by Mindset
No, that would be Doom.

Strategy and Tech

This. Doom is basically batman with more resources, a total lack of morals/ethics, and insane superpowers via that suit + magical abilities.

There's literally nothing batman could come up with that Doom hasn't tried before and failed at.

And to those comparing Reed to Plastic man- keep in mind that reed (due partly to his powerset) is not only the most brilliant mind on the planet, he's a VERY serious contender for top mind in 616 PERIOD. His powers allow him (if he chose to) to process thoughts at superhuman speeds. Plastic man is a drooling idiot in comparison.

Plastic man Acts like a drooling idiot.

1. With Batmans utility belt, all common sense goes out the window

2.Reed is Bruces superior in every aspect EXCEPT for strategy and stealth. If Bruce really prepped, he could do it imo. If he put his ego at the door and seriously had a plan to destroy Reed, he could do it. Doom can never defeat Reed, or hell, he can never hold on to any of his aquisitions because he can't get rid of that damn ego. Batman is a better long term planner than both.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
1. With Batmans utility belt, all common sense goes out the window

2.Reed is Bruces superior in every aspect EXCEPT for strategy and stealth. If Bruce really prepped, he could do it imo. If he put his ego at the door and seriously had a plan to destroy Reed, he could do it. Doom can never defeat Reed, or hell, he can never hold on to any of his aquisitions because he can't get rid of that damn ego. Batman is a better long term planner than both.

He has accomplished every one of his goals at some point in his career.

Btw, he has defeated Reed, multiple times.

Black Panther defeated the entire Fantastic Four. Bruce could do that with prep.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Black Panther defeated the entire Fantastic Four. Bruce could do that with prep.

Differ between one sided prep and prep for both parts.

Batmans prep has an overriding effect where it nullifies others prep(Don't ask me, I don't write the comics). In all fairness, Reed is better than Batman but will lose if Batman gets enough time. I think he was once described as having brainpower exceeding every philosopher who ever lived and willpower and patience exceeding anyone on who ever existed.

Originally posted by shiv
Is that the only thing you know about The Black Panther?

I named that feat because I wanted to point the fact that Black Panther have, like Batman, a big ass aura of p.i.s.

If Wolverine can't cut his way out of Mister Fantastic, what chance Batman and Black Panther really have?

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Batmans prep has an overriding effect where it nullifies others prep(Don't ask me, I don't write the comics). In all fairness, Reed is better than Batman but will lose if Batman gets enough time. I think he was once described as having brainpower exceeding every philosopher who ever lived and willpower and patience exceeding anyone on who ever existed.

PIS won't be in effect here.

You can back up your choice with feats, but not "lol the writers always make batman win"

There's a pretty big respect thread for him, I'm too lazy to reference it.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
I named that feat because I wanted to point the fact that Black Panther have, like Batman, a big ass aura of p.i.s.

If Wolverine can't cut his way out of Mister Fantastic, what chance Batman and Black Panther really have?

have you ever read three back to back issues of Black Panther The fantastic 4 And Batman excluding Crossovers?

Coz I doubt it.

Needless to say Reed does not have the speed or skill to catch either Batman Black Panther Blade Beast or Batroc, especially on the streets of a populated City.

Make it Black Panther/Batman/Batroc/Beast vs Reed in a Titanium cage and Reed will be able to rack up a win or two

For the Record Neither Black Panther nor Batman or Deathstroke and Batroc would use Wolverines fighting style against Mr Fantastic...

This fight doesn't take place in a populated city.

Originally posted by shiv
have you ever read three back to back issues of Batman The fantastic 4 And Batman excluding Crossovers?

Coz I doubt it.

Needless to say Reed does not have the speed or skill to catch either Batman Black Panther Blade Beast or Batroc, especially on the streets of a populated City.

Make it Black Panther/Batman/Batroc/Beast vs Reed in a Titanium cage and Reed will be able to rack up a win or two

The hell are you talking about?