Punisher vs Wolverine, Beast and Cyclops

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
You seem to assume that Pun is a prep god of some sort. He's good but he's no Doc Doom or Reed Richards. He's more of a combat tactician who can think fast on the fly. Don't get me wrong, he has great combat prep planning wise but his resources can only get him so far.

Cant argue with that Pun loses 9/10. Brilliant. You also think Cap is just a man, why are you trying to tell me what he can or cant do? What ive seen you seem to lack knowledge of characters abilities and downlay feats.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Can he snipe Cyke before they can find him? Maybe, but chances aren't a 100% assured thing with Wolverine's tracking skills combined with Cyke's tactical skills. Even if he does, he'll still need to deal with 2 superpowered mutants who prolly won't be holding back.

Its not 100 for the team to win either.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Lol. No offense, but that statement is utterly full of fail. So since he's beaten one of them in his own comics (fyi, vice versa applies),

No actually you fail

Of course it is. I mean if he can beat him without prep obvoulsy if he has prep its not going to help to beat more opponents.

It doesnt matter if its vice verse because Wolverine beating Pun witout prep doesnt mean that Pun cant beat him with prep.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

he can beat both of them at once with a little prep (neither w/c would prolly hold back a SECOND cuz he just killed their friend)? What's he gonna do? Suckerpunch em to death?

Mercy bullets? Why are you assuming hes gonna use real bullets. Sorry you're failing.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Also, the issue where I read Punisher and Spiderman actually fought 1v1, Spidey kicked his ass. So has DD.

That was without prep....c'mon guys. Punhas beaten Spiderman loads of times with prep.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Tranquilisers??? See how the hes not going to kill logic fails? Mercy bullets.

Tranquilizers travel much slower than your average sniper round. Wolverine and Cyclops can knock them out of the air, and Beast can dodge them. Mercy bullets were lame, and they're not going to put down someone with Wolverine's damage soak, durability, and healing factor.

And DD has kicked Punisher's ass for a majority of showings. Castle has put up a decent fight here and there, and shot him full of tranquilizers ONCE. Captain America chose to use Castle's plan ONCE over one of his own ONCE. Castle shot an unsuspecting Captain America ONCE. He didn't beat Doom-- he escaped Doom ONCE.

Confederacy of Dunces and all related work is ****ing retarded and is a poor representation of all involved except for Castle, because Ennis has a full hard-on for The Punisher, and superpowered heroes are the bane to his Frank-fetish. Entertaining stories, but shit reference value.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
He doesnt have to stick to sniping he can mix it up.

The Punisher doesn't have a choice where this fight takes place. He can't set up traps somewhere and expect to lead them into one or have them waltz into one themselves. A full-on confrontation would result in a thorough ass-beating (no homo). He can't outrun them. Trying to shoot them while he's got some distance between them is his only viable tactic, and it won't work anyhow.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Tranquilizers travel much slower than your average sniper round. Wolverine and Cyclops can knock them out of the air, and Beast can dodge them.

Stop making shit up.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

Captain America chose to use Castle's plan ONCE over one of his own ONCE. Castle shot an unsuspecting Captain America ONCE. He didn't beat Doom-- he escaped Doom ONCE.

Oh god forget it. Incredible.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Cant argue with that Pun loses 9/10. Brilliant. You also think Cap is just a man, why are you trying to tell me what he can or cant do? What ive seen you seem to lack knowledge of characters abilities and downlay feats.

And you seem to exaggerate the relevance of their abilities and feats. I'm not the only person who feels this way.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Its not 100 for the team to win either.

Of course not. It's a 90% win for the team.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No actually you fail

Maybe, but a lot of people think you fail harder.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Of course it is. I mean if he can beat him without prep obvoulsy if he has prep its not going to help.

It doesnt matter if its vice verse because Wolverine beating Pun witout prep doesnt mean that Pun cant beat him with prep.

Oh, so you think Beast is just gonna stand there and do nothing or do you consider a superstrong, superfast mutant a nonfactor in this fight?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Mercy bullets? Why are you assuming hes gonna use real bullets. Sorry you're failing.

You think it's gonna matter with regards to how they'll react? As soon as they see Cyke get shot and drop, they'll assume Punisher killed im, and then the kid gloves come off...

FYI, you need to come up with a new argument other than "cuz he sniped cap"... sheesh.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Stop making shit up.

Well then correct me, smart ass! Prove me wrong with some credible evidence, and not your deluded Punisher-wanking.

You go around making unsupported claims, accuse people of lying, and then whine about how people pick on you. Now you're saying you never said Castle would win a majority; therefore, the team takes the majority, which is what everyone else in this thread believes... So what the **** are you arguing about?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
And you seem to exaggerate the relevance of their abilities and feats. I'm not the only person who feels this way.

No really its isnt. I couldnt careless about anybody else the majority isnt always right. Forget it.

Hell you dont even know about Captain America and you were trying to school me on him.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Well then correct me, smart ass! Prove me wrong with some credible evidence, and not your deluded Punisher-wanking.

Oh shut up I said the team get the majority. Pay attention.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

You go around making unsupported claims, accuse people of lying, and then whine about how people pick on you.

LOL have you ever shoot a tranquiliser bullet out of a gun and measured its speed? You stated it not me, and I have to prove it? Typical.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

And DD has kicked Punisher's ass for a majority of showings. Castle has put up a decent fight here and there, and shot him full of tranquilizers ONCE. Captain America chose to use Castle's plan ONCE over one of his own ONCE. Castle shot an unsuspecting Captain America ONCE.

What sort of logic is that no doubt if I listed out 10 examples you would state that it happened ONCE. Considering that WS has almost sniped Cap with him having more knowledge why the hell couldnt Pun do it?

Cap wasnt unsuspecting him knew a sniper was there. Cap has also escaped capture from Cap ONCE. So thats three examples.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

He didn't beat Doom-- he escaped Doom ONCE.

LOL and that obvoulsy doesnt mean anything. Jesus Christ if I said Pun ecaped from Galactus ship you would have some shit to say about...incredible.

Typical downplaying of feats, then you wonder why I get pissed.

OH NOES YOU SAID THE TEAM GETS THE MAJORITY YOURE SUCH A PUNISHER WANKER!!!!!!!!

You here this guy tranquiliser bullets fly much faster than real ones!!! Not one single shread of proof then hes asking me for evidence. Thats the BS excuse he came out with as soon as he find out Pun doesnt have to kill. Then hes telling me some shit like thats why people pick on me

Close the ****ing thread man

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Oh shut up I said the team get the majority. Pay attention.

Yeah, and the rest of us have been saying that, but you've gone way out of your way to argue against what we've concluded.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LOL have you ever shoot a tranquiliser bullet out of a gun and measured its speed? You stated it not me, and I have to prove it? Typical.

I've used handguns and rifles before, and I don't need to engage in a scientific investigation to show that a standard rifle cartridge will travel faster than a tranquilizer. I've looked around and it looks like rifle shots travel at about 2000-4200 feet per second, whereas tranqs stay within the hundreds of feet per second.

What's typical is you flying off the handle for being wrong again, changing your original argument, saying you're done with the thread, return with the same tired and unsupported claims, and repeat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22-250_Remington

http://www.rw.ttu.edu/6301/pdf%27s/Cattet%20et%20al%202006%20Evaluation%20of%20the%20potential%20for%20injury%20with%20remote%20drug%20delivery%20systems%20WSB%2034%20741%20750%20.pdf

There's your proof. What else you got, genius?

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Yeah, and the rest of us have been saying that, but you've gone way out of your way to argue against what we've concluded.

Not 9/10 😐

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

I've used handguns and rifles before, and I don't need to engage in a scientific investigation to show that a standard rifle cartridge will travel faster than a tranquilizer. I've looked around and it looks like rifle shots travel at about 2000-4200 feet per second, whereas tranqs stay within the hundreds of feet per second.

You havent shot a mercy bullet out of a rifle its not the same thing as firing a tranq. It could be slower but you dont know by how much. Hell you dont even know what it looks like or howbits constructed you are making shit up.

Considering that Punisher has shot Spiderman with mercy bullets and has given no indication that its slower its still an assumption.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol

What's typical is you flying off the handle for being wrong again, changing your original argument, saying you're done with the thread, return with the same tired and unsupported claims, and repeat.

What else you got, genius?

and what the hell is saying im a punsiher wanker when I stated the team gets the majority. Get out!

Again your just down playing feats. Im listing out these feats and instead of seeing them as a whole..its oh..it happpened ONCE, you dont see the bs in that?

For God sake a poster was stating that Pun getting punched in the face was a lack of tactical awarness......god. Then people wonder why I get pissed.

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
Y

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.22-250_Remington

LOL that doesnt prove nothing it even states that lighter bullets travel faster.

The factory-loaded .22-250 Remington can propel a 55 grain (3.56 g) spitzer bullet at 3,680 ft/s (1122 m/s) with 1,654 ft·lbf (2,243 J) of energy [4]. Many other loads with lighter bullets are used to achieve velocities of over 4,000 ft/s (1,219 m/s), while still having effective energy for use in hunting small game and medium sized predators.

Well done. Cosnidering he describes them as mercy bullets they can come under the catgory of lighter bullets. So according to your evidence the mercy bullets will travel faster.

The PDF isnt working.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Jesus Christ if I said Pun ecaped from Galactus ship you would have some shit to say about...incredible.

Typical downplaying of feats, then you wonder why I get pissed.

OH NOES YOU SAID THE TEAM GETS THE MAJORITY YOURE SUCH A PUNISHER WANKER!!!!!!!!

Yes, I would have some shit to say about it, because that would be ****ING RETARDED.

Nobody's downplaying any feats; you're hyping them up so much, it's ridiculous. You get pissed because one of your favorite characters isn't winning in one of your threads even though you tried to give him an edge.

And yes, you ARE a Punisher/Captain America wanker.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You here this guy tranquiliser bullets fly much faster than real ones!!! Not one single shread of proof then hes asking me for evidence. Thats the BS excuse he came out with as soon as he find out Pun doesnt have to kill. Then hes telling me some shit like thats why people pick on me

Close the ****ing thread man

I've already posted links showing each type of shot's velocity ranges. Rifle shot travel faster than tranqs. Two of the X-Men being used in this fight are capable of dodging and/or taking rifle shots. The fastest rifle shots can be over 10 times as fast as the fastest tranq, do the math.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
You havent shot a mercy bullet out of a rifle its not the same thing as firing a tranq. It could be slower but you dont know by how much. Hell you dont even know what it looks like or howbits constructed you are making shit up.

Considering that Punisher has shot Spiderman with mercy bullets and has given no indication that its slower its still an assumption.

Have YOU ever shot a mercy bullet out of a rifle? No, didn't think so. So you can't exactly prove they're as fast as ordinary bullets, because you're assuming. Scans and circumstances surrounding Spider-Man being shot with one? You made the claim now prove it.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Again your just down playing feats. Im listing out these feats and instead of seeing them as a whole..its oh..it happpened ONCE, you dont see the bs in that?

You don't see the bullshit in citing those feats when ordinarily the opposite would happen?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
For God sake a poster was stating that Pun getting punched in the face was a lack of tactical awarness......god. Then people wonder why I get pissed.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
LOL that doesnt prove nothing it even states that lighter bullets travel faster.

The factory-loaded .22-250 Remington can propel a 55 grain (3.56 g) spitzer bullet at 3,680 ft/s (1122 m/s) with 1,654 ft·lbf (2,243 J) of energy [4]. [b]Many other loads with lighter bullets are used to achieve velocities of over 4,000 ft/s (1,219 m/s), while still having effective energy for use in hunting small game and medium sized predators.

Well done. Cosnidering he describes them as mercy bullets they can come under the catgory of lighter bullets. So according to your evidence the mercy bullets will travel faster.

The PDF isnt working. [/B]

Lighter bullets travel faster, but they lose power, and as a result are MUCH LESS EFFECTIVE. Where's your evidence that mercy bullets are lighter and faster, anyhow?

Download a Foxit PDF reader and see for yourself.