Marvel's big 7 vs DC's big 7

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
FTL is nothing for Flash. Durability is a non-issue, given that Flash tanks rediculous hits from people stronger. Flash going all out simply speed steals him, or IMPs him or speed force dumps him, etc, etc, etc.

FTL nothing for Flash? Which is why he could barely break superluminal with a running start in FC? And steal his speed? Do you even know where Eternals get their powers from? Really...

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Flash can put down half the marvel team actually.

❌ facepalm

Are we to assume that everyone's standing flat footed when the bell rings or are they "battle ready"(standard force fields raised, flyer's flying, ect.)?

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
[B] Flash can put down half the marvel team actually.

Originally posted by shokosugi
DC demolishes Marvel.

Originally posted by Raoul
lack of weakness exploitation makes superman an absolute beast in scenario 2, and dc should win imo. not just because of him, but he does contribute.

scenario 1, not so sure.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Are we to assume that everyone's standing flat footed when the bell rings or are they "battle ready"(standard force fields raised, flyer's flying, ect.)?

Originally posted by kgkg
😂

Originally posted by Enyalus

FTL nothing for Flash? Which is why he could barely break superluminal with a running start in FC? And steal his speed? Do you even know where Eternals get their powers from? Really...

❌ facepalm [/B]

I'm ignoring that because the very nature of the feat means it's obvious +C. To enter the center of the singularity and outrace the Black Racer, who was specifically referenced as also being Black Flash, means it was far far above C. Couple that with Superman barely being able to react to them.

Eternal can have their speed stolen. I see nothing preventing Flash from totally draining his KE. I put up with that arguement from Surfer fans because Surfer actually has high energy manipulation, but Flash's KE manipulation is superior.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
I'm ignoring that because the very nature of the feat means it's obvious +C. To enter the center of the singularity and outrace the Black Racer, who was specifically referenced as also being Black Flash, means it was far far above C. Couple that with Superman barely being able to react to them.

The same Black Racer who was explictly stated on panel to not be able to go beyond light speed?

Right.

Except that FC retconned it so all avatars of DC Death are the same. Fail.

Black Racer was explicitly called Black Flash. 😐

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Except that FC retconned it so all avatars of DC Death are the same. Fail.

Black Racer was explicitly called Black Flash. 😐

And in the same arc was said to not be able to go beyond light speed. What don't you understand about that?

That the nature of the feat of outracing the Black Racer and entering the singularity means it was OVER LIGHT SPEED. facepalm

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That the nature of the feat of outracing the Black Racer and entering the singularity means it was OVER LIGHT SPEED. facepalm

Let me clarify, because it doesn't seem like you're getting it: the Black Racer cannot break c. This is outright stated in FC. Outracing him doesn't mean a whole helluva lot to speedsters like Flash or Makkari. Either would be able to do so.

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
That the nature of the feat of outracing the Black Racer and entering the singularity means it was OVER LIGHT SPEED. facepalm

Originally posted by Enyalus
And in the same arc was said to not be able to go beyond light speed. What don't you understand about that?

Originally posted by Newjak
DC:
Superman(No Weaknesses)
Batman
Wonder Woman
Martian Manhunter(Alive)
Green Lantern(Hal)
Flash(Wally)
Aquaman

Marvel:
Thor(Current)
Silver Surfer(Current)
Makkari
Iron Man
Captain America
Gladiator(No Weaknesses)
Quasar(Wendell)

Considering the teamwork factor we'll say the Marvel team as had as long as it takes to get to the teamwork level of DC's 7.

Edit: Also we'll say scenario one has them operating in character while scenarios 2 has them bloodlusted but still working as a team.

and where is blackbolt?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Let me clarify, because it doesn't seem like you're getting it: the Black Racer cannot break c. This is outright stated in FC. Outracing him doesn't mean a whole helluva lot to speedsters like Flash or Makkari. Either would be able to do so.

What are you, brain dead? 😐 IF they can't go over C, the entire point of the Flash being there does not exist. THE FEAT IS IMPOSSIBLE IF THEY CAN'T GO OVER C. 🤨 But since they did the feat, they were going over C. It's quite obvious that the subliminal speed thing was either Grant or someone else not understanding the nature of the feat. IT CANNOT BE DONE UNDER LIGHT SPEED. They even spell out that it had to be over C, BECAUSE DARKSEID WAS BEYOND THE REACH OF LIGHT. 👇

I call absolute bullshit on Makkari being able to outrace Black Racer.

Hmmm....

DC.Ever so barely DC.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Let me clarify, because it doesn't seem like you're getting it: the Black Racer cannot break c. This is outright stated in FC. Outracing him doesn't mean a whole helluva lot to speedsters like Flash or Makkari. Either would be able to do so.

It took the Flashes using the speed force to the max to simply keep ahead of the Black Racer. In other stories it's been pointed out that he can keep up with any character even guys like Lightray going superluminal.

DC, but it's close.

Originally posted by Allankles
It took the Flashes using the speed force to the max to simply keep ahead of the Black Racer. In other stories it's been pointed out that he can keep up with any character even guys like Lightray going superluminal.

Originally posted by cloud102
DC, but it's close.

Originally posted by Newjak
You're gonna sit there and tell me Quasar isn't a threat?

And you're right Makkari isn't on their level but he is fast, I'd think fast enough to at least keep Flash occupied.