Marvel's big 7 vs DC's big 7

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
What are you, brain dead? 😐 IF they can't go over C, the entire point of the Flash being there does not exist. THE FEAT IS IMPOSSIBLE IF THEY CAN'T GO OVER C. 🤨 But since they did the feat, they were going over C. It's quite obvious that the subliminal speed thing was either Grant or someone else not understanding the nature of the feat. IT CANNOT BE DONE UNDER LIGHT SPEED. They even spell out that it had to be over C, BECAUSE DARKSEID WAS BEYOND THE REACH OF LIGHT. 👇

I call absolute bullshit on Makkari being able to outrace Black Racer.

Originally posted by fangirl101
I thought I put quasar in as one of the big four marvel threats. Did I miss something?

How was the Black Racer right behind Wally and Barry when it can't go past lightspeed, yet Wally and Barry were running faster than they ever have before?

I dun get it.

Originally posted by Mindset
How was the Black Racer right behind Wally and Barry when it can't go past lightspeed, yet Wally and Barry were running faster than they ever have before?

I dun get it.

Originally posted by iceman24567
It did go faster than light 😱

Originally posted by Mindset
How, I thought it couldn't.

Originally posted by iceman24567
I thought the same but he breached the singularity as did the Flashes and Barry stated you have to go light speed to breach it.

True you had to go superluminal to breach the singularity. And the flashes were going well beyond c (using the speed force like they've never done before), and were only a few lengths ahead of the Black Racer the entire time.

Originally posted by Allankles
True you had to go superluminal to breach the singularity. And the flashes were going well beyond c (using the speed force like they've never done before), and were only a few lengths ahead of the Black Racer the entire time.

And yet Morrison had....Barry, was it(?), say that BR could not break light speed. In the same arc.

Originally posted by Enyalus
And yet Morrison had....Barry, was it(?), say that BR could not break light speed. In the same arc.

I seemed to have missed that, what issue? And how does that explain the Flashes only being a spear lengrth ahead of BR the entire time while going superluminal?

Based on what it took to breach the singularity BR had to be moving beyond c. Besides he's been able to keep up with speedsters (who move beyond c) in his history.

Originally posted by Allankles
I seemed to have missed that, what issue? And how does that explain the Flashes only being a spear lengrth ahead of BR the entire time while going superluminal?

I'll put up the shot when I get home. Unless Iceman or someone else posts it before. Its right after they exit the singularity IIRC. Barry mentions BR can't go FTL. Even puts a "Flash fact" behind the statement.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I'll put up the shot when I get home. Unless Iceman or someone else posts it before. Its right after they exit the singularity IIRC. Barry mentions BR can't go FTL. Even puts a "Flash fact" behind the statement.

The part where he mentions something like death can't move faster than light? Meh! BR has never had problems chasing down his victims even when they could move by multiples of c.

Barry was pushing himself to the max just to keep ahead of BR.

Originally posted by Allankles
The part where him mentions something like death can't move faster than light? Meh! BR has never had problems chasing down his victims even when they could move by multiples of c.

Clearly FC just retconned that. As TP so flaunted the retcon of BR also being BF and all other Death manifestations in FC...

And yet he was always said to never be able to move above light speed, right?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Clearly FC just retconned that. As TP so flaunted the retcon of BR also being BF and all other Death manifestations in FC...

Yeah but if BR is moving under c, and the Flashes were going superluminal shouldn't they have been more than a few lengths ahead of him? Also, BR breached the singularity so obviously he had to be moving faster than light at that point.

Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah but if BR is moving under c, and the Flashes were going superluminal shouldn't they have been more than a few lengths ahead of him? Also, BR breached the singularity so obviously he had to be moving faster than light at that point.

Why? Superman escaped a double-black hole by moving at c. Why does BR have to move above c to do it. BR was moving c, while Flashes were moving slightly above c. Simple to reason out.

Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah but if BR is moving under c, and the Flashes were going superluminal shouldn't they have been more than a few lengths ahead of him? Also, BR breached the singularity so obviously he had to be moving faster than light at that point.

Idk, I told you guys Morrison was a hack. 😉

Originally posted by Enyalus
Why? Superman escaped a double-black hole by moving at c. Why does BR have to move above c to do it. BR was moving c, while Flashes were moving slightly above c. Simple to reason out.

Superman went beyond c to escape the black hole, if you remember he was gaining speed, he hit the speed of light on panel and kept increasing speed after.

Slightly above c is subjective, given that the speed force allows them to move by mutliples of c and they were uisng the speed force to the max just to breach the singularity.

Originally posted by Allankles
Superman went beyond c to escape the black hole, if you remember he was gaining speed, he hit the speed of light on panel and kept increasing speed after.

No. On panel, it said he was approaching the speed of light and still accelerating. On panel it also said that escape velocity of a blackhole was = c. To assume he went FTL in that scenario is speculation.

So is the second half of your post which I left out. Hell, amped Wally when fighting Zoom was only traveling about 3.4x FTL.

Originally posted by Mindset
Well if he was just under c and they were at it or slightly above it, in comic sense, he could be right behind them.

Idk, I told you guys Morrison was a hack. 😉

🙁 I wouldn't call him a hack but stating that death can't move above c in the context of what was happening certainly doesn't make sense. Also are we to believe the speedforce used to the max is only slightly above c?

Originally posted by Enyalus
No. On panel, it said he was approaching the speed of light and still accelerating. On panel it also said that escape velocity of a blackhole was = c. To assume he went FTL in that scenario is speculation.

Hardly since on panel (based on the narration) he it the c point and was still accelerating.