Originally posted by NemeBro
Spiderman in the comics literally pulls his punches when fighting opponents of human durability, he can be assumed to be holding back in the movies as well, he could easily kill a man if he desired. The notion that he cannot is idiotic.He is not as fast as comic Spidey, still much faster than ANY Terminator.
I'm going to address Peter's speed first. IMO movie Spider-man's speed isn't the problem, it's his skill. Now Peter is pretty good at dodging at times like when he had to properly angle himself to avoid Green Goblin's pumpkin razors in the burning building or when Doc Ock tossed him into that building connector thingy during their train fight and Peter had to angle himself to fit through the hole. However just like his comic counterpart something eventually happens that causes them to get sloppy and get hit. Only difference is that comic Spider-man can keep dodging and keep a safe distance for a while before he inevitably gets tagged. Movie Spider-man on the other gets sloppy too quickly. While you're right about the Terminator being slower than Spider-man, the Terminator isn't slower than Macho Man and Sandman. Both of which were getting plenty of shots in on Peter when he started to get careless and sloppy. And Terminator has better aim than those two guys.
Now about the striking power. You can argue that those human durability opponents were able to take his shots because he's holding back. However one thing you can't argue is that Spider-man movie, comic or cartoon has a history for not delivering devastating damage with his blows. Go a head and try to find examples of cars splitting in half, walls collapsing or trees breaking apart to Spider-man's kicks and punches, because I'm certain you're not going to find any.
As I said previously the most damage I can recall Spider-man's attacks doing was getting his fist through the roof of a car in the movies and getting numerous holes in a brick wall at the cost of injuring his hands in the comics. And both of those examples he wasn't holding back. Now I'm going to take it a step further and list more examples of Spider-man's striking power while enraged, and both of these can be found in Spider-man 3. In the end battle after Harry died and Peter managed to cut himself free, he was beating on Venom with a metal pipe. And we saw that Spider-man was fighting with intent to kill the symbiote. Was Venom's head knocked off? Was his skull split open? Did blood splashed out of Venom's head? Nope he simply moved back a bit and fell on his knees, but quickly managed to stand back up.
The other example is when Spider-man faced off with Sandman in the subway. Peter was definitely trying to kill Flint Marko and how much damage was his attacks doing? Was Sandman's body exploding to Spider-man's attacks? Was Flint's torso flying off his legs every time he got hit? Nope all that happened was that at times Peter's kicks and punches went into Sandman, but most of the time only small bits of Sandman was breaking off. There was even a slow motion punch in that fight where it showed parts of Sandman's cheek fly off. And this is Sandman we're talking about. A guy who loses a bit of sand by simply bumping his shoulder into you.
So where's this great striking power that you speak of? Cause I don't see it anywhere. Is that the best Spider-man's punches and kicks can do when not holding back? That's small fries for a terminator. The Terminator has easily walked through walls, leaving a man size hole and was hitting the hood of a pickup truck hard enough that the wheels were breaking off and the truck was becoming a 'V' shape. Even the Aliens managed to do more damage than that with their striking power.
Originally posted by Robtard
He punched a hole in a brick wall in SM3. Then there's those very impressive strength feats, stopping the train, holding the cable trolley, holding the wall etc.He clearly has enough strength to tear apart a robot, easy too. Denying this is willful ignorance.
What scene was it when he punched a hole in a brick wall in SM3? I have the movie at home, but only saw it a total of like 2 or 3 times.
Yeah I know about his lifting strength. All three versions of Spider-man has impressive lifting strength here and there. It's his striking power I'm questioning. For some reason it doesn't match up to his lifting strength. Wouldn't know why, but it's the way the character has always been written like in any of the three mediums. Maybe the brick wall example I gave about comic Spider-man gives us a clue. If constantly punching a brick wall causes Spider-man's hands to get bloodied and bruised, then can you imagine what will happen if he tries to muster even more strength to hit a even harder object? He'll probably break his hand. And isn't that a nice thought? Spider-man breaking his hand against a Terminator. What is he going to do now? Headbutt it?
Also if you think it's easy to break apart a Terminator, you either don't remember the films very well or never saw them.
Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
What scene was it when he punched a hole in a brick wall in SM3? I have the movie at home, but only saw it a total of like 2 or 3 times.Yeah I know about his lifting strength. All three versions of Spider-man has impressive lifting strength here and there. It's his striking power I'm questioning. For some reason it doesn't match up to his lifting strength. Wouldn't know why, but it's the way the character has always been written like in any of the three mediums. Maybe the brick wall example I gave about comic Spider-man gives us a clue. If constantly punching a brick wall causes Spider-man's hands to get bloodied and bruised, then can you imagine what will happen if he tries to muster even more strength to hit a even harder object? He'll probably break his hand. And isn't that a nice thought? Spider-man breaking his hand against a Terminator. What is he going to do now? Headbutt it?
Also if you think it's easy to break apart a Terminator, you either don't remember the films very well or never saw them.
IIRC, when he's fighting Goblin, Harry dodges and Peter punches a nice sized hole in the wall. Still, his other strength feats in previous films were far more impressive.
It stands to reason he pulls his punches, due to the Uncle Ben clause, "with great power comes great responsibility", otherwise guys like Doc Ock with human durability would be made into butter. Peter isn't a murderer, far from it.
No, he's not going to break his hand against the Terminator's body, his durability in the films is beyond amazing. Sure, he might get a bloody knuckle or two, but it's not going to damage him much more than that.
Never said it was easy as a blanket term, now did I. Said it would be easy for someone who's strong enough to stop an out of control speeding train etc. He could grab it by the arm and swing it around like a ragdoll, or use the webbing to do so from a safer distance.
Indeed.
I am not going to read your posts because I am lazy and I do not believe there is anything useful in them.
But fact is that Spiderman has shown to be much stronger than any Terminator, much faster, hell, more durable as well, taking punches from Sandman is impressive, both when he is human-sized and giant.
He stomps.
Originally posted by Robtard
IIRC, when he's fighting Goblin, Harry dodges and Peter punches a nice sized hole in the wall. Still, his other strength feats in previous films were far more impressive.It stands to reason he pulls his punches, due to the Uncle Ben clause, "with great power comes great responsibility", otherwise guys like Doc Ock with human durability would be made into butter. Peter isn't a murderer, far from it.
No, he's not going to break his hand against the Terminator's body, his durability in the films is beyond amazing. Sure, he might get a bloody knuckle or two, but it's not going to damage him much more than that.
Never said it was easy as a blanket term, now did I. Said it would be easy for someone who's strong enough to stop an out of control speeding train etc. He could grab it by the arm and swing it around like a ragdoll, or use the webbing to do so from a safer distance.
Well you did wrote this
Originally posted by Robtard
He clearly has enough strength to tear apart a robot, easy too.
I don't think I'm going to be reading anymore of NemeBro's posts because I don't believe there is anything useful in them, and there really isn't. But I'll address what you wrote Robtard.
You know what's the problem with trying to grab a Terminator? They're going to grab you back. As for the webbing, it's effective against random cannon fodder, but against a better opponent, it's not always effective. Look at Green Goblin, he tried to make a web, and attack Norman, but his legs were still free and he used them to kick away Peter until the web broke off. Or the Terminators could actually use the web against him in a very basic way. In the comics Spider-man, Wolverine, Luke Cage and Spider-woman were fighting a guy named the Wrecker. At one point in the fight Peter tries to web the guy's arm. The Wrecker then grabs Spider-man's webbing and throws Spidey into the air. I do not see why the Terminator's won't do this.
Yes Spidey does pull his punches against human durability characters, but how do you explain the times when he wasn't holding back? Peter's strikes were more powerful, but nothing beyond sledge hammer damage. I didn't figure movie Spider-man would injure his hand as badly as comic would against something hard, I was just trying to think of a possible explanation to his lack of striking power. Well here's another possible explanation. Maybe Spider-man is too used to fighting with his strength held back that he has a hard time putting more power into his strikes. I'm just theorizing of course, since I don't write for Spider-man and wouldn't know the answer to this.
Either way the lack of striking power is a well establish part of him, and you can't just sweep it underneath a rug and say it never happens. Because it's the opposite that almost never happens. This issue is becoming a lot like the whole issue about certain characters and their speed like Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman or worse Silver Surfer.
There's one more thing about Doc Ock I realize favours the Terminators. While Peter held back for Doc Ock, he doesn't have any reason to hold back against his mechanical arms. According to you guys Peter would had snapped those arms in half with a single punch and tie then into knots, but that never happened. He punch them, kick them and tried to break them, but couldn't do any damage whatsoever. They weren't even all that durable since one of them exploded after stabbing an electrical tube.
Originally posted by WO Polaski
this forum in general makes me worry for humanities continued existence. break his hand? really?
It would probably happen to comic Spider-man. Also what makes me worry is that you find that hard to believe but this is perfectly believable
Originally posted by NemeBro
Spiderman would violate T-X's ass in 100 different positions before she would ever touch him.
Hey HMG, stop your bullshit, you're building your entire case on PIS and low showings. As someone who likes to make so many references to the comics, I know you are well aware of what PIS, low showings etc are, and how it doesn't apply in Vs fights.
Terminator stronger than Spider-man? There are plenty of showings that other people have pointed out, but since you love using comics as evidence against Parker boy, I would love to see a Terminator do these....
Getting tagged by a bullet?
This is what Spidey will do to the Terminator
Originally posted by Placidity
Hey HMG, stop your bullshit, you're building your entire case on PIS and low showings. As someone who likes to make so many references to the comics, I know you are well aware of what PIS, low showings etc are, and how it doesn't apply in Vs fights.Terminator stronger than Spider-man? There are plenty of showings that other people have pointed out, but since you love using comics as evidence against Parker boy, I would love to see a Terminator do these....
No you guys stop your bullshit. My entire case is that Spider-man has a history for whatever reason not being able to pack much of a punch. I even acknowledge he has impressive lifting strength, but say his striking power doesn't match his lifting power. This one is address directly to you Placidity. I only make reference to the comics to show comic Spider-man doesn't do any better with his striking power, so it's not a movie exclusive thing. Then how do you prove me wrong? Show scans of comic Spider-man's LIFTING strength. Yeah good way to prove my point.
The only other references to the comics I made was add more names of opponents with human durability since the only non cannon fodder opponents that had human durability that Peter fought in the movies was Doc Ock, or heck even Macho Man and Flash Thompson. The other reference was saying how the Terminators can counter Spidey if he tries to web them up, and brought up what the Wrecker did as a possible counter since I don't recall any of the movie villains trying to use Peter's own webbing to throw him. Though I think Doc Ock might have done it when Spidey attempted to web one of his arms.
You know what's ironic Placidity? As far as dodging goes, I went by only movie feats and even gave Peter credit on the dodging he can pull off at times. Then you're the one that cited a comic feat on how the Terminators will never hit him. Well if I wanted to cite comic showings I would had brought up all the times Kingpin wailed on him. Or the numerous occasions Punisher got the advantage using simply a machine gun. Or the time when Blade took down Peter by actually shooting him in the leg during one of their fights. The time Terrexia (I believe her name was) tackled down Peter when he attempted to jump her and killed Peter with a rock. Or best of all, the time when Aunt May manage to smash a pot over Spider-man.
Also my case is not based on low showings. If I was going solely on the time when Spider-man couldn't even KO random bandits during the infamous upside down kiss or how Aunt May did more damage to Octavius than Peter did during the bank fight, now that would be going solely on low showings. I was going off his average to best showings. Then I even asked where's this great striking power that you guys keep on talking about? Only a few guys like Rob even gave me a mature response and tried to give an explanation to the lack of striking power. Pretty much everyone else just gave the typical "No Spider-man is better than the Terminators in every way! He'll split their bodies in half with a single punch and kill them 100 times over before they even notice anything!" fanboy rant.
This is becoming a lot like the case with characters like Surfer, Captain Marvel, Smallville Superman and Sylar which goes something like this:
Silver Surfer fan - [insert average speed opponent] is never going to be touching Surfer.
Other person - Surfer has been clocked all the time in his fights. Heck Thing managed to pull it off every time Norrin fights the Fantastic Four.
SSF - That's PIS! Surfer can cross whole galaxies in mere seconds.
OP - Yeah I know how fast Surfer can move in space. I'm questioning his ability to utilize his speed in a fight. Show me an example of Surfer fighting with super speed.
SSF - [give example of how fast Surfer can move in space]
OP - That's how fast he can fly on his surfboard. I said fight speed.
SSF - If Surfer can fly that fast, than he clearly can fight that fast.
OP - No it doesn't. Is there anything to suggest Surfer even has enhanced reflexes?
Captain Marvel Fan - Marvel will simply be dodging [insert character] attacks.
OP - When has Marvel shown the ability to dodge attacks like this?
CMF - Marvel can fly at lightspeed.
OP - There's one problem here though. Marvel isn't a good dodger.
CMF - If Marvel can fly that fast, he's not going to let some slow brute touch him.
OP - That would be true if we ignore every fight he's ever been in.
CMF - It's PIS stuff like that happens.
Smallville Superman and Sylar fans - [insert how Clark and Sylar would use their power to fullest potential]
OP - Wait a minute since when has those guys fought like that?
SSSF - [show a power Clark and Sylar has]
OP - I know what powers they have. I was asking about when has those two fought in the way you describe?
SSSF - Why wouldn't they fight like that?
OP - Because they never shown the ability to be that effective when using their abilities.
SSSF - It's PIS they don't fight like that.
OP - No the reason they don't fight like that is because they're both idiots.
SSSF - This is what Clark and Sylar will do to those guys [show Sylar and Clark using there powers]
OP - Is that why both of them been taken down by regular humans on numerous occasions?
So I made my point. I'll only reply back once I see a mature response to the things I brought up. Otherwise why don't we just go "f**k what we happens in the movies and just make things up?"
Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
Well you did wrote thisI don't think I'm going to be reading anymore of NemeBro's posts because I don't believe there is anything useful in them, and there really isn't. But I'll address what you wrote Robtard.
You know what's the problem with trying to grab a Terminator? They're going to grab you back. As for the webbing, it's effective against random cannon fodder, but against a better opponent, it's not always effective. Look at Green Goblin, he tried to make a web, and attack Norman, but his legs were still free and he used them to kick away Peter until the web broke off. Or the Terminators could actually use the web against him in a very basic way. In the comics Spider-man, Wolverine, Luke Cage and Spider-woman were fighting a guy named the Wrecker. At one point in the fight Peter tries to web the guy's arm. The Wrecker then grabs Spider-man's webbing and throws Spidey into the air. I do not see why the Terminator's won't do this.
Yes Spidey does pull his punches against human durability characters, but how do you explain the times when he wasn't holding back? Peter's strikes were more powerful, but nothing beyond sledge hammer damage. I didn't figure movie Spider-man would injure his hand as badly as comic would against something hard, I was just trying to think of a possible explanation to his lack of striking power. Well here's another possible explanation. Maybe Spider-man is too used to fighting with his strength held back that he has a hard time putting more power into his strikes. I'm just theorizing of course, since I don't write for Spider-man and wouldn't know the answer to this.
Either way the lack of striking power is a well establish part of him, and you can't just sweep it underneath a rug and say it never happens. Because it's the opposite that almost never happens. This issue is becoming a lot like the whole issue about certain characters and their speed like Superman, Captain Marvel, Wonder Woman or worse Silver Surfer.
There's one more thing about Doc Ock I realize favours the Terminators. While Peter held back for Doc Ock, he doesn't have any reason to hold back against his mechanical arms. According to you guys Peter would had snapped those arms in half with a single punch and tie then into knots, but that never happened. He punch them, kick them and tried to break them, but couldn't do any damage whatsoever. They weren't even all that durable since one of them exploded after stabbing an electrical tube.
It would probably happen to comic Spider-man. Also what makes me worry is that you find that hard to believe but this is perfectly believable
And I stand by it, him stopping the train was a complete show of strength. A Terminator's mechanical joints, pistons and hinges aren't likely to hold up to that force. If that train had hit them, if would have sent them flying in pieces. Of note, in the extended train fight scene, Spider-man gets hit by the train and merely bounces off.
The Terminator grabbing Spider-man isn't much of a factor, it won't be strong enough to hold on and his durability to blunt force trauma is leagues above anything they could dish out. If anything, it's going to get it's arm ripped off for it's troubles.
The webbing is super-duper-strong, as it held the train, remember. It's going to take some time for a Terminator to get out, if at all. Comic feats don't count in here, movies only.
The times he didn't hold back at all was when he took on Goblin and pounded him to shit. The other was when he emo'd out and pounded Harry into shit too. They both are comparable to Spider-man in power, strength and durability, it's the reason they weren't turned into butter.
False, his striking power is not "lacking". If he's strong enough to hold off thousands of tons of force, he could hit hard and he has hit hard enough to overcome a Terminator's durability.
Those arms are beyond strong and durable, as they ripped apart bank vault doors. If they can put out that much strength, they have to be equally durable to survive the forces put back on them. Electrical damage is far different than blunt force trauma or the tensile pressures of pulling/ripping. You're comparing apples to oranges.
What confuses me, you've watched the films, you've seen Spider-man's speed in the Flash fight and others, you've seen his super-duper-strength with the train and others and you've seen his durability that can withstand a 400+ foot tall Sandman punching down on him, a bomb blowing up in his face, and surviving the crushing force of tentacles that can rip apart bank vault doors.
Originally posted by Robtard
And I stand by it, him stopping the train was a complete show of strength. A Terminator's mechanical joints, pistons and hinges aren't likely to hold up to that force. If that train had hit them, if would have sent them flying in pieces. Of note, in the extended train fight scene, Spider-man gets hit by the train and merely bounces off.The Terminator grabbing Spider-man isn't much of a factor, it won't be strong enough to hold on and his durability to blunt force trauma is leagues above anything they could dish out. If anything, it's going to get it's arm ripped off for it's troubles.
The webbing is super-duper-strong, as it held the train, remember. It's going to take some time for a Terminator to get out, if at all. Comic feats don't count in here, movies only.
The times he didn't hold back at all was when he took on Goblin and pounded him to shit. The other was when he emo'd out and pounded Harry into shit too. They both are comparable to Spider-man in power, strength and durability, it's the reason they weren't turned into butter.
False, his striking power is not "lacking". If he's strong enough to hold off thousands of tons of force, he could hit hard and he has hit hard enough to overcome a Terminator's durability.
Those arms are beyond strong and durable, as they ripped apart bank vault doors. If they can put out that much strength, they have to be equally durable to survive the forces put back on them. Electrical damage is far different than blunt force trauma or the tensile pressures of pulling/ripping. You're comparing apples to oranges.
What confuses me, you've watched the films, you've seen Spider-man's speed in the Flash fight and others, you've seen his super-duper-strength with the train and others and you've seen his durability that can withstand a 400+ foot tall Sandman punching down on him, a bomb blowing up in his face, and surviving the crushing force of tentacles that can rip apart bank vault doors.
I'll start with Peter's durability. His durability seems to be much like his webbing. As a whole it can withstand a lot of tear, however it doesn't have much resistance against cutting, piercing, temperature and parts of it can break off. I figure the Terminators aren't going to KO Peter with one punch, but if they grab him, punching is not what they're going to be doing. You know what makes the Terminators different from Peter's past opponents? They're not going to be throwing generic punches, kicks, and smash/toss attacks with the occasional attempted stabbing. They have detailed files on the human body (Peter may have a superhuman body, but everything is still in place) and they know where to target. None of Spidey's opponents ever tried to do things like rip him apart, put him in locks that would dislocate a limb or break a finger, or rip off a nerve or anything like that. Usually when they did grab him, they just either smashed him against something or threw him. The only time Octavius ever done anything like this was near the end after Peter pulls off his mask and Ock grabs Peter by the neck. Of course this is the point when Peter convinces him to destroy his machine and they had a friendly banter beforehand, so he obviously wasn’t squeezing all that much. The only other person who even done anything like that in the movies was Peter himself when he twisted the robber's wrist after he pulled out that gun.
Quick question about the Spider-man 2.1 extended train fight, is it canon? Sometimes things are cut off for pacing purposes, other times it's because the director wanted it out of continuity. The extended fight in Jean's house in X3 and certain scenes from T2: The Extended Edition are excellent examples. I noticed the only part of the 2.1 fight that was cut off the final version was the train bounce. Gee I wonder why. Though Peter does have a tendency to bounce off hard surfaces, not sure what to call that.
Now about the Terminators getting ripped apart. So Spider-man can do damage close to a hydrogen explosion? Cause that's what it took to finally put T-X down, and it was jammed in her head to boot. Arnold's no pushover either. He broke through several buildings IIRC and still held onto the crane. He finally lost his grip when a firetruck rammed him, and he reacted by simply taking off his sunglasses and saying "I'll drive". Even back in the first film near the end during the freeway chase, after Kyle got shot, Sarah wedged the Terminator's motorcycle against the pavement and their pick up truck while they were still moving at highspeeds. The stunt caused the truck to flip over. Almost immediately after a 18 wheeler headshots the Terminator and it grabs onto the truck while it was still moving to show how injured it is. The only damage was tissue damage and a small piece of metal that disconnected from the foot. Do I even have to bring up the explosion that came a few minutes later? I hadn't seen Salvation yet, but I've seen a making of special, and in it they showed the PROTOTYPE T-800 getting shot repeatedly with a grenade launcher.
About his webbing, it stopped the train, don't say held, that's something entirely different. Peter had to shoot them like crazy, and a lot of it was snapping off. IIRC by the time the train finally stopped only about a strand or two was left. The train feat was more of a durability and iron grip feat more than anything. And it wasn't like it didn't hurt Peter. It hurt him alot. After it stopped he passed out and the passengers had to pull him in. After a few minutes of the people reacting to Spider-man's face, they woke Spidey up. Then Octavius comes in, with a simple hit to the face Peter goes out cold again until late night.
So you say he was going all out in the Osbourn fights? Got it I'll use them as reference. The goblins were not that durable. Infact Harry seemed to have taken a better performance enhancer than his father. His enhancer gave him better reflexes, Norman's didn't. It was hinted Harry had accelerated healing, Norman didn't have that. Most important though Harry was completely sane, you know the story with Norman. Now here's the durability thing. In the S1 end fight, Spidey pulled a wall down on Norman and it took him out of the fight! That was the second hit he took in that (getting thrown against the wall was the first) and he had trouble standing up on his own afterwards. As for Harry, aren't you forgetting he nearly died and suffered amnesia from getting clotheslined off his board?
Now lets see the amount of damage that was inflicted on them by Spider-man's strikes. After Peter tossed Norman against the second wall and began wailing on him. Norman’s mask wasn’t even cracked by those punches, then he surrendered. Now for Harry’s fight. I just watched it and Peter never punched his hand in any walls. The worst damage Peter did was both with kicks. One was when Peter kicked Harry against a wooden backdrop on his wall and you see Harry’s body cracked the wood. The second was when Peter kicked Harry through the glass balcony door. Harry looks at his bloody lip and says “I protected you in highschool, now I’m going to kick you little ass.” It should also be point out after Harry gets knocked by his snowboard (this is what took him out of the fight), Peter begins taunting him. Harry tries to get back up and Peter punches Harry in the neck and it doesn’t do any noticeable damage other than knocking Harry back down.
Now about Doc Ock’s arms, while you can argue that they have to be durable enough to not get crushed by the things they’re lifting, however there’s a flaw in the logic. Which is in the world of superheroes that kind of logic is ignored. If you become strong enough to lift a freight car, but you’re durability is the same, you don’t break a leg to the weight. Nope you just lift that baby up, gloat about your strength and smile for the cameras. I’m going to outside the Spidey movies if you don’t mind. It doesn’t affect the characters in anyway, just shows that logic doesn’t apply in the world of superheroes. In the comics I hear Sandman can lift up to 80 tons. I don’t cite movie Sandman because he never lifted up anything. Anyways is Sandman’s body durable enough to support 80 tons? Heck no. You or me could probably punch our fist through his body. Infact if we made a sculpture of Sandman using sand, 300 lbs will probably make it go splat. Then there’s comic Spider-man. This guy goes unconscious to a few good blows to the head, but he can lift up huge objects. Does he show even the slightest of discomfort when lifting those things up? Not at all. Now I’m going to go even further and make extreme cases. In Simpsons when Lisa becomes a superhero named Clobbergirl, there was no mention of a durability increase. If there was it’s not something to brag about. Yet she was able to pick up the Statue of Liberty with one hand. Then there’s Scratchy. He doesn’t have durability beyond a cat his size, yet he managed to hold up the CN Tower with his freakin eyeball and yank the moon with his tongue! So see in all things superhero, that kind of logic doesn’t apply.
The durability of Doc Ock’s arms have to be based off what kind of punishment they’ve taken, and that is being about to take Spidey’s attacks and the electricity. BTW the Terminators have taken electrocution too, and theirs was worse than Octavius. They had enough juice flowing through them that it caused a magnetic field that sent them flying across the room. What happened afterwards? T-X gets back up immediately and Arnold’s systems were groggily for a bit, but no lasting damage after he got back up. Doc Ock’s arm on the other hand was crippled.
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So that’s the best Spidey can do with his strikes while not holding back? Cracking a wooden frame and causing Harry’s lip to bleed (was it the kick or glass door that made him bleed? Because I’m not sure how a kick to the stomach is suppose to give you a bloody lip, but it’s just a movie so I’ll overlook it) with his kicks? And taking bits off Sandman’s face and failing to crack a plastic mask with his punches? I don’t think the Terminators have anything to worry about as far as Peter’s kicks and punches go. Heck Doc Ock’s arms didn’t even notice those hits. Also what I said about Spider-man’s success against those arms still stands. He had the perfect chance to show how well to can do against a metallic opponent, and apparently it wasn’t any good. Well without the aid of an electrical tube anyways. Saying because Spider-man was able to hold onto that train that he can make his strikes mega strong isn’t a good argument, that’s just the whole argument with characters like Silver Surfer again that I brought up earlier.
About Mega Sandman, I have reasons to believe he was holding back for the most part. If you look closely at that scene you’ll notice the following.
- Instead of pointing his fist down and driving it into Peter, he simply bangs his forearm down.
- When his hand did come down, it doesn’t go down that deep. You could still see Peter’s chest and everything. Almost like he was just tapping Peter.
- The metal beam Spidey was on wasn’t even bending! It wasn’t until the final hit (the one that took Peter out of it) that it final bent, then came the goblin bomb. Considering Sandman broke off several metal beams with a missed shot on Harry, I find it hard to believe Mega Sandman would have trouble bending a skinny little beam. Of course unless he was holding back.
Funny thing you brought up the pumpkin bomb, because that thing injured him badly. His face was all bruised up, there was blood coming out of his mouth, nose and even eye. You were able to see a lot of blood on his body from the tears on his outfit. He couldn’t stand up straight until his energy boost via rage. And there seems to have been some internal injuries too since after Norman jumped off the glider and started fighting Peter, there were two slow motion punches where it looked like he was coughing out blood. That bomb really damaged him. And don’t say that bomb would have killed the Terminators because they’ve taken worse explosions without much damage. Heck T-X took 6-7 continuous grenades rounds followed by a fall down a seemingly endless metal shaft and it only slowed her down (mainly because she had to walk back up).