Originally posted by HumanMovieGuide
I'll start with Peter's durability. His durability seems to be much like his webbing. As a whole it can withstand a lot of tear, however it doesn't have much resistance against cutting, piercing, temperature and parts of it can break off. I figure the Terminators aren't going to KO Peter with one punch, but if they grab him, punching is not what they're going to be doing. You know what makes the Terminators different from Peter's past opponents? They're not going to be throwing generic punches, kicks, and smash/toss attacks with the occasional attempted stabbing. They have detailed files on the human body (Peter may have a superhuman body, but everything is still in place) and they know where to target. None of Spidey's opponents ever tried to do things like rip him apart, put him in locks that would dislocate a limb or break a finger, or rip off a nerve or anything like that. Usually when they did grab him, they just either smashed him against something or threw him. The only time Octavius ever done anything like this was near the end after Peter pulls off his mask and Ock grabs Peter by the neck. Of course this is the point when Peter convinces him to destroy his machine and they had a friendly banter beforehand, so he obviously wasn’t squeezing all that much. The only other person who even done anything like that in the movies was Peter himself when he twisted the robber's wrist after he pulled out that gun.Quick question about the Spider-man 2.1 extended train fight, is it canon? Sometimes things are cut off for pacing purposes, other times it's because the director wanted it out of continuity. The extended fight in Jean's house in X3 and certain scenes from T2: The Extended Edition are excellent examples. I noticed the only part of the 2.1 fight that was cut off the final version was the train bounce. Gee I wonder why. Though Peter does have a tendency to bounce off hard surfaces, not sure what to call that.
Now about the Terminators getting ripped apart. So Spider-man can do damage close to a hydrogen explosion? Cause that's what it took to finally put T-X down, and it was jammed in her head to boot. Arnold's no pushover either. He broke through several buildings IIRC and still held onto the crane. He finally lost his grip when a firetruck rammed him, and he reacted by simply taking off his sunglasses and saying "I'll drive". Even back in the first film near the end during the freeway chase, after Kyle got shot, Sarah wedged the Terminator's motorcycle against the pavement and their pick up truck while they were still moving at highspeeds. The stunt caused the truck to flip over. Almost immediately after a 18 wheeler headshots the Terminator and it grabs onto the truck while it was still moving to show how injured it is. The only damage was tissue damage and a small piece of metal that disconnected from the foot. Do I even have to bring up the explosion that came a few minutes later? I hadn't seen Salvation yet, but I've seen a making of special, and in it they showed the PROTOTYPE T-800 getting shot repeatedly with a grenade launcher.
About his webbing, it stopped the train, don't say held, that's something entirely different. Peter had to shoot them like crazy, and a lot of it was snapping off. IIRC by the time the train finally stopped only about a strand or two was left. The train feat was more of a durability and iron grip feat more than anything. And it wasn't like it didn't hurt Peter. It hurt him alot. After it stopped he passed out and the passengers had to pull him in. After a few minutes of the people reacting to Spider-man's face, they woke Spidey up. Then Octavius comes in, with a simple hit to the face Peter goes out cold again until late night.
So you say he was going all out in the Osbourn fights? Got it I'll use them as reference. The goblins were not that durable. Infact Harry seemed to have taken a better performance enhancer than his father. His enhancer gave him better reflexes, Norman's didn't. It was hinted Harry had accelerated healing, Norman didn't have that. Most important though Harry was completely sane, you know the story with Norman. Now here's the durability thing. In the S1 end fight, Spidey pulled a wall down on Norman and it took him out of the fight! That was the second hit he took in that (getting thrown against the wall was the first) and he had trouble standing up on his own afterwards. As for Harry, aren't you forgetting he nearly died and suffered amnesia from getting clotheslined off his board?
Now lets see the amount of damage that was inflicted on them by Spider-man's strikes. After Peter tossed Norman against the second wall and began wailing on him. Norman’s mask wasn’t even cracked by those punches, then he surrendered. Now for Harry’s fight. I just watched it and Peter never punched his hand in any walls. The worst damage Peter did was both with kicks. One was when Peter kicked Harry against a wooden backdrop on his wall and you see Harry’s body cracked the wood. The second was when Peter kicked Harry through the glass balcony door. Harry looks at his bloody lip and says “I protected you in highschool, now I’m going to kick you little ass.” It should also be point out after Harry gets knocked by his snowboard (this is what took him out of the fight), Peter begins taunting him. Harry tries to get back up and Peter punches Harry in the neck and it doesn’t do any noticeable damage other than knocking Harry back down.
Now about Doc Ock’s arms, while you can argue that they have to be durable enough to not get crushed by the things they’re lifting, however there’s a flaw in the logic. Which is in the world of superheroes that kind of logic is ignored. If you become strong enough to lift a freight car, but you’re durability is the same, you don’t break a leg to the weight. Nope you just lift that baby up, gloat about your strength and smile for the cameras. I’m going to outside the Spidey movies if you don’t mind. It doesn’t affect the characters in anyway, just shows that logic doesn’t apply in the world of superheroes. In the comics I hear Sandman can lift up to 80 tons. I don’t cite movie Sandman because he never lifted up anything. Anyways is Sandman’s body durable enough to support 80 tons? Heck no. You or me could probably punch our fist through his body. Infact if we made a sculpture of Sandman using sand, 300 lbs will probably make it go splat. Then there’s comic Spider-man. This guy goes unconscious to a few good blows to the head, but he can lift up huge objects. Does he show even the slightest of discomfort when lifting those things up? Not at all. Now I’m going to go even further and make extreme cases. In Simpsons when Lisa becomes a superhero named Clobbergirl, there was no mention of a durability increase. If there was it’s not something to brag about. Yet she was able to pick up the Statue of Liberty with one hand. Then there’s Scratchy. He doesn’t have durability beyond a cat his size, yet he managed to hold up the CN Tower with his freakin eyeball and yank the moon with his tongue! So see in all things superhero, that kind of logic doesn’t apply.
The durability of Doc Ock’s arms have to be based off what kind of punishment they’ve taken, and that is being about to take Spidey’s attacks and the electricity. BTW the Terminators have taken electrocution too, and theirs was worse than Octavius. They had enough juice flowing through them that it caused a magnetic field that sent them flying across the room. What happened afterwards? T-X gets back up immediately and Arnold’s systems were groggily for a bit, but no lasting damage after he got back up. Doc Ock’s arm on the other hand was crippled.
this is all incorrect by the way. as is the stuff in the second post.
Originally posted by Robtard
Obviously ongoing humour.Question: If you were an armed criminal in New York, who'd you rather face-off against while escaping a crime. Spider-man or McClane?
It would be better to fight Spidey because with him you could live to see another day. That's as long as you didn't murder any of his friends or relatives or accidentally run yourself over with a vehicle in a botched attempt to kill Peter.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Excellent stuff btw, HMG. 🙂
Thanks man! I'm glad there are a few people here who aren't narrow minded, even if they're in the minority.