Dante vs Link

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Sure they can. I know you don;t like me but do you have to let that interfere with your duties?

Yes, they can. Seriously, you don't know everything, believe it or not. There are several different flags that the sock checker has and absolutely none have been returned for any of them. Taking a look at the actual IPs, they do not match proxy IPs and are all different (as well as valid).

Now, you're being off-topic as well as breaking this rule:

Please remember that moderators are humans and not robots and if they make a decision that you disagree with you cannot argue with them in public.

As far as the sock checker has returned so far, none of them are socks. That is the end of it. I don't want to hear another word.

Ok then, sport, I'll stop saying it in public, but they're still socks.

Originally posted by fascistcrusader
Ok then, sport, I'll stop saying it in public, but they're still socks.

I think when I said I didn't want to hear another word, I meant precisely that. I didn't mean "okay, go ahead and make another post about it". Consider yourself warned.

Another post about it will get the thread closed.

Why close the thread over it...?

I'm quoting this again because someone's STILL accusing me of sockness.

Originally posted by Peach
Don't make accusations you cannot back up. I've done sock checks and everyone is clean.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Biases. =P

Link can chop arrows out of the air without much effort, Dante wouldn't 'speed blitz' him nearly as easily as you think.

Link has several forms of temporary invulnerability, retard strength, note-worthy martial prowess, and a plethora of useful abilities and gadgets.

Getting close to Link is not something Dante would want to do, Dante's best defense is to just keep away and spam bullets.

That said "temporary" doesnt last long, stay away for that said amount of time and it goes away, which is not that hard for dante.

Its not that hard, dante is too fast for link to do really anything, can hit him with an arrow, sword swings way to slow, and he has regeneration, so dante even being hit with that sword most likely wouldnt do much.

Did you read through the entire thread?

That post is from pages and pages ago, and it's irksome to consider re debating this entire thread for another five pages.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Did you read through the entire thread?

That post is from pages and pages ago, and it's irksome to consider re debating this entire thread for another five pages.

Dante is too fast for link, period. He even has quicksilver (which Ihighly doubt he'll need to use) which slows down time, and as tge has already stated it, the master sword doesnt stop time powers, so dont bother restating that it does.

If link does use some kind of temporary invincibility, dante, with his extreme speed, could easily jump, run, or teleport away. Link is not fast enough nor does he have the items to affectively do ANYTHING to dante at a long distance. Then when his invinceability whears of he could easily speed blitz him and chop his head off, keep afar and shoot him from a distance (with many projectiles, not just E & I), and if he needs a little boost any of the time he could use devil trigger. Link may be durable, but dante is also strong. When he was still a rook, in dmc 3 he completely destroyed a statue with a small punch, and in dmc 4 he stopped the saviors punch dead on.

The bottom line is dante is extremely strong, has regeneration, is many times more faster than link, and has too many long range weapons for link to stand a chance. And if he needs to dante can use dopple ganger, which would occupy link to shoot him with a ligh arrow, which would give the real dante a chance to blow that noggin' off. I say dante 9/10.

And I don't take that personally, I'd probably say the same of you, and it IS nice to have someone logical to debate with. [It's a common fact people on opposing sides of a debate may often percieve the other side as biased or deceptive]. And Master sword does stop time powers of a sort, it'd stop a time stop placed on Link, but doesn't prevent Dante buffing himself unless it touches him.

Quick silver is good, but while time is slowed Nayru's love will seem to drag on for a lonnng time, and Dante can't keep qucik silver up forever. Link answers the speed with invulnerability.

When Dante isn't quicksilvered Link's reaction time is good enogh to keep up with him, and wear him down. I personally think Link takes this 9/10.

If for any reason Link manages to damage Dante's leg or immobilise him long enoguh to land a light arrow, it's game, and in a fight like this it's possible due to Link's great strength. A shield bash to the head to stun Dante, or a sword to the leg. Which brings me to a hitherto unmentioned point I've bene rollign over in my head.

Being a history nerd, and lurker of the arma, I know a thign or two abotu sword based martial arts. Not an expert but it's a hobby to read on it o:

SDante's two handed sword style is a very offensive style primarily used to combat spears and lightly armoured foes or break up pole arm formations such as pike walls.

Link's sword and shield style has a great tactical advantage on paper, and probably in this fight because it was advantaeous over the greatsword style of the medieval era. /Nerdiness.

Owait, I'm debating VG characters.. the nerdiness continues.

AS A SIDE NOTE; even if we disagree, thaks for not being a Gumachi or a Fascist, lol.

I thought invincibility wasn't allowed?[if it is allowed Dante has Majin Form]

What if Dante uses Chronos Heart? Which slows time everytime Link is hit.

Originally posted by Gumachi

I thought invincibility wasn't allowed?

He can use his regeneration heart to regen. at everything Link throws at him and use Chrono Heart to slow down time everytime he hits Link.

Plot device invulnerability isn't allowed, temporary invulnerability isn't no limits and it ends.

Dante's regen can be beaten down, and chrono heart requirs gettign through Link's formidable defenses, gettign close to Link is supremely dangerous, and he's not time stoppable.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And I don't take that personally, I'd probably say the same of you, and it IS nice to have someone logical to debate with. [It's a common fact people on opposing sides of a debate may often percieve the other side as biased or deceptive]. And Master sword does stop time powers of a sort, it'd stop a time stop placed on Link, but doesn't prevent Dante buffing himself unless it touches him.

Quick silver is good, but while time is slowed Nayru's love will seem to drag on for a lonnng time, and Dante can't keep qucik silver up forever. Link answers the speed with invulnerability.

When Dante isn't quicksilvered Link's reaction time is good enogh to keep up with him, and wear him down. I personally think Link takes this 9/10.

If for any reason Link manages to damage Dante's leg or immobilise him long enoguh to land a light arrow, it's game, and in a fight like this it's possible due to Link's great strength. A shield bash to the head to stun Dante, or a sword to the leg. Which brings me to a hitherto unmentioned point I've bene rollign over in my head.

Being a history nerd, and lurker of the arma, I know a thign or two abotu sword based martial arts. Not an expert but it's a hobby to read on it o:

SDante's two handed sword style is a very offensive style primarily used to combat spears and lightly armoured foes or break up pole arm formations such as pike walls.

Link's sword and shield style has a great tactical advantage on paper, and probably in this fight because it was advantaeous over the greatsword style of the medieval era. /Nerdiness.

Owait, I'm debating VG characters.. the nerdiness continues.

AS A SIDE NOTE; even if we disagree, thaks for not being a Gumachi or a Fascist, lol.

2. Quicksilver slows down time, which, in turn, would slow down links movment. I dont know how fast link activates naryus love, but unless its in an instant, the activation of dantes quicksilver before the activation of links naryus love would end in links demise, as he would not have time to activate it, since time would be slown (slowed? dont know spelling) down.

3. Prove links reaction speeds are par with dantes, as so far i have seen no feats that equal up to anything dante has done. not one.

4. Dante is extemely strong too, he stopped savoirs punch, which im guessing is withing the 50 to 100 ton range, the guy is huge and had all his body weight into his punch. And thats just the thing, you say "if link can immobilize dante" and the key word is if, which i highly doubt it, due to dantes exteme speed, and strengthe means jack shit if he cant hit dante. even if he did get a chance to shoot him, by lets say a lucky swing of the sword and he happens to hit dantes leg, dante could easily chop the arrow in half, stop it with one of his own bullets (due to his excellent aiming), or just lean to one side to avoid it. He doesnt necassarily have to move his whole body, nero through a gigantic sword at him, and all he did is tilt his head to avoid the whole thing.

Dantes offensiveness, combined with the fact that he can just move away quickly if in danger, and quicksilver speeds are more than enough to get behind, around, or through links defense, and shoot, decapitate, or blow him apart.

And your welcome.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
Yes i read the whole thread, and seeing that you and cc were complaining the whole time about someone else to debate against logically, i stated my opinion on the matter. Reply or dont, just want to give my opinion, i do think your some what biased and a fanboy, but dont take it too personal, a lot of people here at kmc are one of the two.

Dante is too fast for link, period. He even has quicksilver (which Ihighly doubt he'll need to use) which slows down time, and as tge has already stated it, the master sword doesnt stop time powers, so dont bother restating that it does.

If link does use some kind of temporary invincibility, dante, with his extreme speed, could easily jump, run, or teleport away. Link is not fast enough nor does he have the items to affectively do ANYTHING to dante at a long distance. [B]Then when his invinceability whears of he could easily speed blitz him and chop his head off, keep afar and shoot him from a distance (with many projectiles, not just E & I), and if he needs a little boost any of the time he could use devil trigger. Link may be durable, but dante is also strong. When he was still a rook, in dmc 3 he completely destroyed a statue with a small punch, and in dmc 4 he stopped the saviors punch dead on.

The bottom line is dante is extremely strong, has regeneration, is many times more faster than link, and has too many long range weapons for link to stand a chance. And if he needs to dante can use dopple ganger, which would occupy link to shoot him with a ligh arrow, which would give the real dante a chance to blow that noggin' off. I say dante 9/10. [/B]

Behead him?

I stick by my statement that Link can tank all but Dante's strongest DDT attacks from DMC2. Even then since the moves are featless I'm not sure, but I just want to give Dante some benefit of the doubt. Dante of course has limited useage of that as suggested by the name. Nayru's love will work in a pinch for that.

The various swords of Devil May Cry haven't shown the same destructive feats that Ganon has. What has the Yamato done? Slashed through stone, sure, impressive, but Ganon basically disintegrates stone with his weapon, hell, he can bring down a whole castle with his punches. Link has been able to more or less tank this level of destruction.

Link has been able to overpower Ganon in sword locks. Honestly Savior while huge and obviously has great destructive potential, hasn't really demonstrated impressive physical strength for its size has it? Neither is it very agile but that is another matter.

Yes, Dante has regeneration, but thankfully for Link it is limited and that he doesn't have as much pure durability as Link does. When Dante is tired, his regeneration suffers. Conversely as Dante takes damage, his stamina suffers. The two are linked.

Speed? Sure. But Link is no slouch in his reaction time and his tactic will be much more defensive in nature, so he does not need to be quite on the level of a bullet timer, he just needs the ability to fend off Dante intelligently and take advantage while Dante steadily tires.

Which he can and would do.

Shooting Link probably wouldn't do much good, and decapitating him would be a feat indeed. He took shots from Ganon's massive beast form that carried two swords, and could disintegrate stone without even halting, as if the stone was not there. These blows obviously hurt Link but still only did 2.5 hearts.

Link has temporary invulnerability to match Dante's temporary speed boost, and when Dante is not in his speed boost, he may still be faster than Link, and probably is, but not fast enough to really speed blitz Link who can casually chop arrows out of the air, side step swords thrown hard enough to embed themselves into stone walls, go toe to toe with Ganon, and Majora, and so on. Link's not the fastest runner but he is a very quick fighter with super human reaction speed.

As to strength, Let me math.. He lifted a stone pillar resmebling black granite closest (a VERY heavy stone known for being retardedly heavy.)

granit article v
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rmr/definition.html <--source.

"Since so many people ask me about "weight" [granite not mine]....I have an old reference that says an "average" granite has a density of about 166.5 lb. per cubic foot, or about 2.6 times what the same volume of water would weigh. If its what commercial stone dealers call a "black granite" the density would likely be much higher."

Now, assuming that, lemme make a few estimations.. /heads to youtube.

<--screen shot. I'l try to get one that shows the entire pillar rather than just the bottom... but it's clearly huge. Lemme do some quick math on that using the average weight of white granite before I move on to black granite..

K, working with only what we can SEE in this image, let's assume conservatively that Link is slighlty above average height, around 6'2" or more seems reasonable, so we'll go with six. RESERVED FOR EDITTED IN MATH*

Now I have to find something on black granite because that's the stone the pillars in OoT closest resemble.. -.- Just a sec.

pardon my double post but.. I need to. 15 minute limit.

Shooting Link probably wouldn't do much good, and decapitating him would be a feat indeed. He took shots from Ganon's massive beast form that carried two swords, and could disintegrate stone without even halting, as if the stone was not there. These blows obviously hurt Link but still only did 2.5 hearts.

Link has temporary invulnerability to match Dante's temporary speed boost, and when Dante is not in his speed boost, he may still be faster than Link, and probably is, but not fast enough to really speed blitz Link who can casually chop arrows out of the air, side step swords thrown hard enough to embed themselves into stone walls, go toe to toe with Ganon, and Majora, and so on. Link's not the fastest runner but he is a very quick fighter with super human reaction speed.

As to strength, Let me math.. He lifted a stone pillar resmebling black granite closest (a VERY heavy stone known for being retardedly heavy.)

granit article v
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~rmr/definition.html <--source.

"Since so many people ask me about "weight" [granite not mine]....I have an old reference that says an "average" granite has a density of about 166.5 lb. per cubic foot, or about 2.6 times what the same volume of water would weigh. If its what commercial stone dealers call a "black granite" the density would likely be much higher."

Now, assuming that, lemme make a few estimations.. /heads to youtube.

<--screen shot. I'l try to get one that shows the entire pillar rather than just the bottom... but it's clearly huge. Lemme do some quick math on that using the average weight of white granite before I move on to black granite..

K, working with only what we can SEE in this image, let's assume conservatively that Link is slighlty above average height, around 6'2" or more seems reasonable, so we'll go with six. ASSUMING these thigns with VERY roguh guestimations (thank you Blubba Pinecone for your godliness) this rock is aprox 12208.32 cubic feet in volume. (JUST the visible part in the pic, not including the top half.) Now, if that means the average weight of white granite is 166.5 lbs per cubic foot... *math* 2032685.28 Lbs. That's the weiht of JUST the visible portion of the pillar if we assume Link is 6' and the stone is light granite as opposed to black granite.

If a ton is 2000 lbs thats 1016.3 tons. and he THROWS IT.

Now I have to find something on black granite because that's the stone the pillars in OoT closest resemble.. -.- Just a sec.

BLACK GRANITE!

"Cambrian Black granite

Absorption by weight: 0.101%

Density: 179 pounds/cubic foot

(2,874 kg/cu.m)

Compressive strength: 22,122 psi (153 Mpa)

Modulus of rupture: 1,868 psi (12.92 Mpa)"

http://www.stoneworld.com/Articles/Feature_Article/f6a52a4061409010VgnVCM100000f932a8c0____ <--article.

Math time. 12208.32 (volume in cubic feet) x 179 (lbs per cubic foot) = 2185289.28 lbs. Just the visible portion. Link. Is. Amazing.. I didn't expect it to be THAT heavy.. wtf.. 1096.64 tons. .

Even in my most fanboyish moments I would have only guessed 100ish tons for the entire rock.. and this is a conservative estimation. So.... I'm gonna go redo my math, I don't believe this.

Edit: most of this math. (figuring the volume in cubic feet) was doen by my math whiz friend Blubba Pinecone.

I'm not going to question the math, but doesn't Link needing the gauntlets for that kind of diminish the impressiveness of it a little bit?

Yeah, it does, but the gauntlets are part of his gear, he still can throw thos things with little effort while wearing them, and I've been debating as OoT Link this entire thread, rather than a composite Link. The gauntlets really are as valid as any weapon foudn in the coarse of the game and are required to beat it, so they're canon. A composite Link would be stupid now that I did that math.. TP Link withthose gauntlets? Broken..

Just because he's tired doesn't mean his regeneration runs down. He can always use his regeneration heart or DT and he will keep regenerating over and over and over. Dante also has Keys of Chronos to slow time.