Emperor Joker vs Phoenix Force

Started by Enyalus4 pages
Originally posted by Galan007
I assume you're referring to 'World's Funnest'? Hypertime aside, one of the many realities Mxy/Mitey visited during that comic was the DCU immediately following the events of COIE - and there was only one COIE (that much is fact.)

😬 World's Funnest isn't canon. And Hypertime itself was discontinued/retconned by DC.

Originally posted by Enyalus
😬 World's Funnest isn't canon. And Hypertime itself was discontinued/retconned by DC.
Umm, I just told you the reason it is canon. Choosing to ignore such a blatant fact is your thing.

And Hypertime has been mentioned in several comics since 'Kingdom' (one of which being an issue of 52/Countdown.)

Originally posted by Galan007
Umm, I just told you the reason it is canon. Choosing to ignore such a blatant fact is your thing.

And Hypertime has been mentioned in several comics since 'Kingdom' (one of which being an issue of 52/Countdown.)

Its an Elseworlds tale (and I have it on my computer and freakin' can't find it now, damnit!). All Elseworlds are non-canon.

As far as Hypertime goes, Executive Editor Dan DiDio said it'd be invalid post IC or something like that.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Its an Elseworlds tale (and I have it on my computer and freakin' can't find it now, damnit!). All Elseworlds are non-canon.

As far as Hypertime goes, Executive Editor Dan DiDio said it'd be invalid post IC or something like that.

Except it's been mentioned post IC, in 52.

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Waverider, the seer of hypertime, keeper of divergent realities.

Originally posted by Juntai
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Waverider, the seer of hypertime, keeper of divergent realities.

It doesn't surprise me that DC contradicts itself...

But that's not even important. The part about Worlds Funnest being noncanon is. And that stands. 'Cause it was an Elseworlds.

Elseworlds like Kingdom Come?

Or Elseworlds like Gotham by Gaslight?

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Originally posted by Enyalus
I just think saying Mxy > LT is ridiculous.

Lets get back on topic

Emperor Joker vs Phoenix Force thx

Or maybe you mean elseworlds like the story of a Superman that landed in Russia in Red Son?

Originally posted by Enyalus
All Elseworlds are non-canon.

I assure you, this is 100 percent untrue.

Originally posted by Juntai
Elseworlds like Kingdom Come?

Except that the KC universe was later brought into the DC Multiverse as E-22, as you well know. And being later referenced in canon JSA stories.

World's Funnest? No.

I haven't read Gotham so I can't comment.

Originally posted by Juntai
I assure you, this is 100 percent untrue.

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Originally posted by Enyalus
Except that the KC universe was later brought into the DC Multiverse as E-22, as you well know. And being later referenced in canon JSA stories.
Originally posted by Enyalus
All Elseworlds are non-canon.

Sounds like competing theories.
Might I suggest a debate between posters?

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Originally posted by Juntai
Sounds like competing theories.
Might I suggest a debate between posters?

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wtf didn't the 52 finite series bring most of Elseworld stories as alternate earth of the same multiverse

also canon is a very subjective word

for example Spider-man will be non-canon for What if series
but Living Tribunal all titles in alternate reality should be cannon

Originally posted by Juntai
Sounds like competing theories.
Might I suggest a debate between posters?

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"Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character."

I should've qualified my original statement by saying, "All Elseworlds are non-canon unless brought into the mainstream DCU later on"...Pardon me, I didn't think I needed to state the obvious.

Originally posted by Enyalus
"Non-canon sources are invalid for evidence. With rare exceptions, comics not in continuity such as Elseworlds, What Ifs, or alternate universes are not used for evidence in debates of a particular mainstream character."

I should've qualified my original statement by saying, "All Elseworlds are non-canon unless brought into the mainstream DCU later on"...Pardon me, I didn't think I needed to state the obvious.

No. Mxy is like the LT. All stories and realities are canon to him. I thought you knew that? Superman Batman 25 for the win.

Also as Galen stated, there was only ONE crisis. No alternate crisis could have taken place. Thus World's funnest is Canon.

Originally posted by fangirl101
No. Mxy is like the LT. All stories and realities are canon to him. I thought you knew that? Superman Batman 25 for the win.

Also as Galen stated, there was only ONE crisis. No alternate crisis could have taken place. Thus World's funnest is Canon.

I assume you're talking about the point he says, "No matter what time or universe, some version of you two exists! And when that balance is upset or uprooted...it upsets my life in the 5th dimension..." Except that doesn't really prove that all of Mxy's appearances are canon. Only if they appear within one of DC's 52 universes. Of which Worlds Funnest was clearly not. It was a fictional story and non-canon. And the KMC rules say its non-canon, too. So that creation-blast thing can't be used as one of Mxy's powers.

Another thing...you're citing Loeb as evidence? 🙁 I didn't hear you or anyone else jumping to correct TP when he said this:

Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Hang on. Spectre is a lousy example, and that was not the regular Mxy. That was Earth 2 Mxy. He does use magic, so that works.

And come to think of it......that might have been an alternate Mxy in Countdown, but I can't be sure.

I've also heard similar excuses about 'alternate Mxy' for Gog blowing a hole through him in The Kingdom, too. Seems strange no one ever brought up the 'One, Canon Mxy' argument before.