Emperor Joker vs Phoenix Force

Originally posted by Enyalus
I assume you're talking about the point he says, "No matter what time or universe, some version of you two exists! And when that balance is upset or uprooted...it upsets my life in the 5th dimension..." Except that doesn't really prove that all of Mxy's appearances are canon. Only if they appear within one of DC's 52 universes. Of which Worlds Funnest was clearly not. It was a fictional story and non-canon. And the KMC rules say its non-canon, too. So that creation-blast thing can't be used as one of Mxy's powers.

Another thing...you're citing Loeb as evidence? 🙁 I didn't hear you or anyone else jumping to correct TP when he said this:

I've also heard similar excuses about 'alternate Mxy' for Gog blowing a hole through him in The Kingdom, too. Seems strange no one ever brought up the 'One, Canon Mxy' argument before.

Originally posted by fangirl101
you shouldn't argue against the DC experts. Then we have to teach you. There was no 52 when mxy made the statement. As a matter of fact, mxy was bringing back alternates of Superman that shouldnt have existed any more.

No shit. There wasn't a 52 during Worlds Funnest, either. Did you have a point or do you just like to read your own text? Because that really didn't justify your 'only one, canonical Mxy' stance. Considering Superman/Batman takes place within the mainstream DCU.

Originally posted by Enyalus
No shit. There wasn't a 52 during Worlds Funnest, either. Did you have a point or do you just like to read your own text? Because that really didn't justify your 'only one, canonical Mxy' stance.

You used 52. I was letting you know that you can't use 52 to debunk anything. 52 really means nothing anyway. Since it is known that each of the 52 is a multiverse on it's own.

There's quite a bit of evidence pointing to 'WF' being canon, and really nothing (besides Eny's opinion) saying otherwise.

Point: Eny is not to be trusted. 😛

EJ ftw.

Originally posted by fangirl101
52 really means nothing anyway. Since it is known that each of the 52 is a multiverse on it's own.

Is this like the Marvel supporters saying things like, "so and so really created/destroyed the multiverse even though they only said universe." ? Because the Monitors, whose job it is to monitor the 52 universes, never once throughout Countdown or FC or any of the tie-ins like Superman Beyond refer to them as the 52 multiverses.

And, I don't know...they might know what they're talking about. I doubt it, but hey.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Is this like the Marvel supporters saying things like, "so and so really created/destroyed the multiverse even though they only said universe." ? Because the Monitors, whose job it is to monitor the 52 universes, never once throughout Countdown or FC or any of the tie-ins like Superman Beyond refer to them as the 52 multiverses.

And, I don't know...they might know what they're talking about. I doubt it, but hey.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Do you read the authority? They visit alternate realties all of the time.

I do. I know. I also recall in Captain Atom: Armaggedon them traveling to hundreds of alternate Earths. Can't remember if that was before or after IC, though. *shrug*

Originally posted by Enyalus
I do. I know. I also recall in Captain Atom: Armaggedon them traveling to hundreds of alternate Earths. Can't remember if that was before or after IC, though. *shrug*

There were no alternate realities before IC. According to some DC lore. But Mxy has always proclamed a myriad of realties. at any rate, WF is canon. i could go thru a long list of whys, but juntai and galen posted several good reasons.

Oh and Spectre prime is like the LT. only one of him. WF would be canon to him. He faced mxy.

It's still an Elseworlds/What-If type deal and can't be included as evidence of his powers displayed in the mainstream DCU, as per forum rules state.

Originally posted by Enyalus
It's still an Elseworlds/What-If type deal and can't be included as evidence of his powers displayed in the mainstream DCU, as per forum rules state.

and what if's can't be used for say spiderman. But certainly for the Lt since it's all canon to him. Same thing with mxy and the spectre. both of whom are in the story.

Originally posted by fangirl101
And yet An alternate zatanna couldn't bring back Superboy prime's universe. But prime knew that mxy could bring back the entire reality. makes you wonder huh.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Except for Mxy himself stating that he couldn't, sure...

Originally posted by Juntai
http://img409.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hypertimerz3.jpg

Waverider, the seer of hypertime, keeper of divergent realities.

😄

Originally posted by Enyalus
Seems strange no one ever brought up the 'One, Canon Mxy' argument before.

Originally posted by Enyalus
It's still an Elseworlds/What-If

Originally posted by Enyalus
Is this like the Marvel supporters saying things like, "so and so really created/destroyed the multiverse even though they only said universe." ? Because the Monitors, whose job it is to monitor the 52 universes, never once throughout Countdown or FC or any of the tie-ins like Superman Beyond refer to them as the 52 multiverses.

Why? Because it was already confirmed that DC would become a megaverse (ie. a cluster of multiverses):

So basically, the 'mainstream' DCU (which was also confirmed by Rip to be infinite) contains all of these alternate earths, and many/most of said earths are gateways to other multiverses (Wildstorm is a prime example.)

Originally posted by Galan007
The 'several multiverse' theory makes more sense than you may think..

Why? Because it was already confirmed that DC would become a megaverse (ie. a cluster of multiverses):

So basically, the 'mainstream' DCU (which was also confirmed by Rip to be infinite) contains all of these alternate earths, and many/most of said earths are gateways to other multiverses (Wildstorm is a prime example.)