Originally posted by carver9
NOt saying that its on there level but he can hit them just as easy as them hitting him
Wow, means that there isn't really a point to being Spiderman if a brick like Colossus (who is fast in his own right) can tag Spidey easily.
COME ON!!
Agility is THE Spidey ability.
Not saying that spidey takes majority, but he can certainly take a few wins (like 3/10).
But saying Colossus is the same level as Spidey in terms of speed and agility is retarded.
lol speed and agility is not going to matter at all in this fight. yes spiderman can dodge and yes it'll be difficult to tag him, BUT he will get tagged and it won't take an hour to do so. and even if spiderman was able to dodge every blow, which he hasn't been shown to do, what are his class 15 hits gonna do to colossus? because he damn sure can't ko him
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Wow, means that there isn't really a point to being Spiderman if a brick like Colossus (who is fast in his own right) can tag Spidey easily.COME ON!!
Agility is THE Spidey ability.
Not saying that spidey takes majority, but he can certainly take a few wins (like 3/10).
But saying Colossus is the same level as Spidey in terms of speed and agility is retarded.
I never said agility.
Originally posted by BattlehammerI was affraid that this might turn into speed vs discussion. Oh well. I cant say 100% about Capt and DD but I've been Wolverine fan for as long as I know the character. And even though he's CRAZY fast he is not as fast as Spider-man. And as far as my knowledge of DD and Capt goes they aren't as fast as Spidey. Spider-man does have better dodging feats. And neither of 3 has sense that work simillar to Spider sense. Not even DD's radar sense or Wolverine senses. Spider sense would warn of every punch even before Colossus raises his fist and it'd tell what kind of attack its going to be and in which direction to dodge. So unless its a fight in a comics where every character gets hit all the time for the sake of making the fight interesting there is no way Colossus tags Spidey. Not untill Spidey gets tired, and it wont happen for a long time. Pete's stamina may be nowhere near Wolverine's but he can keep fighting for hours before getting tired.
actaully he not. Spiderman has literrally no speed feats beyond wolverine or capt for that matter. DD speed feats are pritty much just as good as spidermans as well. Yea and DD has radar that does similar then, wolverine and capt both have senses that do similar and tactically far better. So saying spiderman can dances around colossus all day is saying almost any character around DD level can do the same thing.
Originally posted by SamZED
I was affraid that this might turn into speed vs discussion. Oh well. I cant say 100% about Capt and DD but I've been Wolverine fan for as long as I know the character. And even though he's CRAZY fast he is not as fast as Spider-man.
Originally posted by SamZED
And as far as my knowledge of DD and Capt goes they aren't as fast as Spidey. Spider-man does have better dodging feats.
Originally posted by SamZED
And neither of 3 has sense that work simillar to Spider sense. Not even DD's radar sense or Wolverine senses.
Originally posted by SamZED
Spider sense would warn of every punch even before Colossus raises his fist and it'd tell what kind of attack its going to be and in which direction to dodge. So unless its a fight in a comics where every character gets hit all the time for the sake of making the fight interesting there is no way Colossus tags Spidey.
Originally posted by SamZED
[B Not untill Spidey gets tired, and it wont happen for a long time. Pete's stamina may be nowhere near Wolverine's but he can keep fighting for hours before getting tired. [/B]
Really show spiderman fighting for 4 hours straight with out tiring, hell show him fighting for 2.
Spidey may underestimate Colossus speed at first and leave himself open for an opportunity by Colossus, but even then, Spidey's rugged enough to take a beating and readjust. Webbing is the key. Unload all his webbing at him, Ironman style and Colossus wouldn't have any leverage. He's strong, but not strong enough to get out in enough time for Spidey to be declared victor by immobilization.
Spiderman 6/10.
Originally posted by BattlehammerNo he doesn't and no they aren't. They're close but his dodging feats are not on Spidey's level. I'd like YOU to tell ME based on what his feats are comparable? Show me one scan of Wolverine dodging guns or lasers or anything that are on the same level as top Spidey's dodging feats. Wolverine is crazy fast, on few occasions he even moved faster than human eye reacts, but its not like Green Goblin hasn't ever moved faster than human eye reacts (I remember two times), doesn't mean he's as fast as Spider-man.
really based on what? His feats are quite comparable and Logan tends to straight up blitz people more then spiderman does.
Originally posted by BattlehammerInferior is the key word. DD's senses wont tell him to dodge to the left even before his opponent attacks.
oh they do. They allow them to prodict there opponets attacks. Though they be inferior to spidersenses in some ways they make up for it with there vastly superior skills
Originally posted by BattlehammerNever said that Spider-man cant be hit. Ofcourse he can, but concidering his speed and spider sense WELLWRITTEN Spider-man wont get hit by a slower opponent. And no, he's not back to his classic level. According to that fat f#$k Quesada Peter still has all his upgrades. As for why Pete uses web-shooters Joe said in an interview that he's gonna explain everything later which is probably just his way of saying "I have no f#$king idea..."
pleases your basing this off bias. He hit it a fact. Acting like spidersenses makes him dodge everything is just wrong. He gets hit, sure spider senses makes it harder, but he still gets hit. Also have you forgotten he back at classic levels? His spidersenses no longer is as accurate as it onces was.
Originally posted by BattlehammerTo prove what? That he can make mistakes? Brilliant. So on a comicbook vs forum we're just going to assume that Spider-man tries something stupid like wrestling with Colossus that's why he gets hit?😕 He'd web Colossus eyes, dance around him and constantly punch Piotr in the head. I'd like to see a scan of Piotr displaying the kind of speed to hit Spider-man.
Spiderman won’t need to tire to get it, he makes a mistake and he will get hit. And I can show plenty of scans to prove this.
Originally posted by BattlehammerYou want me to show you a scan that has authors comments which say "this fight lasted for 4 hours"?😬 He has crazy stamina its a common knowledge about the character, many of his fights continue through several issues and even though the exact time isn't stated (why would it be?) its clear that the fight's lasted for a long time. Spider-man's fought after being drugged, after being hit with tranqualisers, after being shot and even after being burried alive. So yes, im pretty sure he can easilly dance around a much slower opponent for couple of hours.
Really show spiderman fighting for 4 hours straight with out tiring, hell show him fighting for 2.
Originally posted by SamZED
No he doesn't and no they aren't. They're close but his dodging feats are not on Spidey's level. I'd like YOU to tell ME based on what his feats are comparable? Show me one scan of Wolverine dodging guns or lasers or anything that are on the same level as top Spidey's dodging feats. Wolverine is crazy fast, on few occasions he even moved faster than human eye reacts, but its not like Green Goblin hasn't ever moved faster than human eye reacts (I remember two times), doesn't mean he's as fast as Spider-man.
Originally posted by SamZED
Inferior is the key word. DD's senses wont tell him to dodge to the left even before his opponent attacks.
Originally posted by SamZED
Never said that Spider-man cant be hit. Ofcourse he can, but concidering his speed and spider sense WELLWRITTEN Spider-man wont get hit by a slower opponent. And no, he's not back to his classic level. According to that fat f#$k Quesada Peter still has all his upgrades. As for why Pete uses web-shooters Joe said in an interview that he's gonna explain everything later which is probably just his way of saying "I have no f#$king idea..."
and yet spiderman been hit by slower opponets through out his carreer.
Originally posted by SamZED
To prove what? That he can make mistakes? Brilliant. So on a comicbook vs forum we're just going to assume that Spider-man tries something stupid like wrestling with Colossus that's why he gets hit?😕 He'd web Colossus eyes, dance around him and constantly punch Piotr in the head.
spiderman fights dumb, he not a good fighter. By make mistakes I mean move one way when he should have gone the other, or going in melee when he should stay away.
You want me to show you a scan that has authors comments which say "this fight lasted for 4 hours"?😬 He has crazy stamina its a common knowledge about the character, many of his fights continue through several issues and even though the exact time isn't stated (why would it be?) its clear that the fight's lasted for a long time. Spider-man's fought after being drugged, after being hit with tranqualisers, after being shot and even after being burried alive. So yes, im pretty sure he can easilly dance around a much slower opponent for couple of hours. [/B][/QUOTE]
yes I want to see evidences. You saying he fought for hours means nothing. I think it bullshit and I want some evidences. Most fights between characters last minuts and hour tops. Hell after a few minuts of fighting wolverine he even lets on to be tired.
we're talking about colossus here not the blob, even when "well" written. its never been shown that his spider sense predicts moves to that degree. he still in most cases has to actively react. if that was the case he would not be beaten so consistently by MAs. by your logic say elektra, who is much slower than spiderman would not be able to land one hit when we all know that she would. the spider sense seems in every incarnation that I've witnessed to only be a precog to immediate danger that parker is consciously unaware of, once it goes off that's it. it no longer alerts him of the threat at hand because it is now consciously recognized. but say for example if he is engaging one opponent while another attempts to snipe him, then his sense would alert him to the new danger that he was not consciously aware of.
Well, Spiderman can fight for a few hours non stop true, but once that fatigue sets in, he's gonna slow down, which means....he's done.
Any webbing he shoots at Pete can easily be ripped out of.
And Colossus is a trained fighter, if he get's even one hit on Spidey, at a quarter or fraction of his strength, it should be more than enough to ko him for a while.
Pish! Spidey doesn't even need to get tired... all he needs is to make a mistake. Imagine the stress it will put on spidey, knowing that the first mistake you make may very well be your last.
I don't even think it will last an hour. If spidey really is trying to fight, he will have to do his dodging and ducking in close quarters (since he needs to be near enough to do some damage). If that's the case, he doesn't last long.
If on the other hand he jumps about 20 feet away up a wall whenever colossus nears him, then jumps to the next building again when colossus chases him... then that's gona take some time. but then, that wouldn't really be fighting wouldn't it? might as well websling his retreat home.