Pain stated that Jiraiya alone would have beaten him had it not been for Pain's secret. Considering he's got the backing of most of the big guns of the Naruto Verse, Pain goes down.
You're over estimating Pain a little too much 😬...even his Chibaku Tensei wouldn't get everyone...and the other bodies are pointless, they were beaten by Naruto and would be beaten here.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Most of this team couldn't even reach Yahiko. Also the absorbing Pein and Summoning Pein gave Jiraiya tons of trouble so I wouldn't underestimate them either.
Yahiko's ability has a major achilles heel though, he can only use each 'tensei' with 5 second intervals.
Those two were done in pretty easily, Deva path is really the only one of Pain's bodies that stands any chance, however slim, against an onslaught of this kind. Make no mistake, he will bring down a few, but he can't against this team, unless they are focused on fighting each other rather than Pain.
The only reason he had trouble with those two imo, was because his main focus was figuring out his opponent.
How do you suppose he's going to keep his eyes on all of them at once when his other bodies are out?
There's quite possibly the most powerful genjutsu user and we know nothing about how the Rinnengan fares up against genjutsu, someone who can fly on a clay dragon, a person who can summon snakes, a person who can summon toads, a person who can use the abilities of the third kazekage indirectly. Easy ways on reaching and inflicting pain on Pain.
There's no way he'll be able to take them all out quickly enough. If they all focus on him after his bodies are out, Yahiko will lose.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Pain stated that Jiraiya alone would have beaten him had it not been for Pain's secret. Considering he's got the backing of most of the big guns of the Naruto Verse, Pain goes down.You're over estimating Pain a little too much 😬...even his Chibaku Tensei wouldn't get everyone...and the other bodies are pointless, they were beaten by Naruto and would be beaten here.
If Jiraiya had known were Nagato was of course he would have beaten him. In this scenario nobody knows where nagato is so its irrelevant. Please explain how any of them escape chibaku tensei if he decides to do it at the start of the fight.
But seriously if Yahiko simply hovers far above the ground and uses a fairly big Shinra tensei(not the size of his konoha wrecking one, but the battlefield isnt that big anyways) he could one shot most of the team He was able to nearly kill three of the huge frogs with it. Guys like, Deidara,Sasori,Itachi,Tsunade.Jiraiya would all be killed by that sort of force. Also save a few people he would be way out of range of most of their attacks. Then also bodies like summoning pain could wreak alot of havok with numerous summons running all over the place causing interference and giving Yahiko more time to Shinra tensei the field.
Originally posted by King Kandy
So what happens when:A. Deidara's bombs just get pulled right back to him with Bansho Tenin and he dies in the explosion.
B. Hidan can't reach Pein because he can fly, and gets buried in ruble from an extra-size Shinra Tensei.
C. Kakuzu can't reach him either and just gets buffeted around helplessly.
From what we have seen when they are all together God realm doesnt fight unless he is by himself. God realm also uses thes techniques in intervals he cant do them consistently. All they would have to do is make Sasori attack him with senbon going all around him. God realm would deflect that then during the interval with which he cant attack.Deidara or anyone who has any long range techniques take him out.
Originally posted by Naija boy
But seriously if Yahiko simply hovers far above the ground and uses a fairly big Shinra tensei(not the size of his konoha wrecking one, but the battlefield isnt that big anyways) he could one shot most of the team He was able to nearly kill three of the huge frogs with it. Guys like, Deidara,Sasori,Itachi,Tsunade.Jiraiya would all be killed by that sort of force. Also save a few people he would be way out of range of most of their attacks. Then also bodies like summoning pain could wreak alot of havok with numerous summons running all over the place causing interference and giving Yahiko more time to Shinra tensei the field.
Also Peins summons are not that strong have you forgotten about manda and the rest of oro's snakes along with Gamabunta and his crew. They would raped everyone of peins summons.
Originally posted by Naija boy
If Jiraiya had known were Nagato was of course he would have beaten him. In this scenario nobody knows where nagato is so its irrelevant. Please explain how any of them escape chibaku tensei if he decides to do it at the start of the fight.
I was merely bringing up a point by using that fact 😬, and that point was that he and the rest of those guys could bring down Pain physically.
Well, people seem to think that hovering out of range will avoid most of the team's attacks, so moving out of range will suffice. Not all characters would escape, that I'll agree to.
Please explain how Pain is going to avoid Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu if Itachi decides to use it at the start of the fight.
Coming up with tactics the characters could use seems to be fairly pointless, given that it could go on and on.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Please explain how Pain is going to avoid Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu if Itachi decides to use it at the start of the fight.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I was merely bringing up a point by using that fact 😬, and that point was that he and the rest of those guys could bring down Pain physically.Well, people seem to think that hovering out of range will avoid most of the team's attacks, so moving out of range will suffice. Not all characters would escape, that I'll agree to.
Please explain how Pain is going to avoid Tsukiyomi or Amaterasu if Itachi decides to use it at the start of the fight.
Coming up with tactics the characters could use seems to be fairly pointless, given that it could go on and on.
The point was irrelevant. Pain saying that if Jiraiya used new his secret (new were nagato was) he would would have won has no basis here as nagato is not even in the scenario and none of them will know his whereabouts.
They cant move out of range because of how wide its range is. Also it attracts things towards the ball so even when they are trying to move out of range they will be drawn in and crushed.
Pain has shown good resistance to genjutusu (breaking out of the frogs sages ultimate genjutsu) as well as having some form of genjutsu himself. Its questionable if Tsukuyumi will work on him at all. Also the Pain bodies are just puppets, with nagato controlling their chakra flow, he could easily stop/restart it etc in order to stop the genjutsu. As for amaterasu, there are six Pain bodies which can be revived continuously. As long as Itachi does not hit the reviving Pain (he has no way of knowing which one it is) the pain bodies can be revived. also if itachi tries to use amaterasu or Tsukuyumi he is making himself vulnerable for the rest of the fight as he will be greatly weakened.
The main thing here is that Pain can oneshot alot of members of the team simultaneously with a fairly powerful shinra tensei and kill evryone on the team with chibaku tensei. His ability to stay out of range of most of their attacks also reduces the likelyhood of him being hit at all.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Well for Tsukiyomi you have to lock eyes so that won't work on a flying guy, and he can just Shinra the fire away, or have the absorbing Pain absorb it.
Pain's Shinra Tensei seems to affect only physical objects, fire, is in a sense, non physical.
The absorbing pain would most likely be caught up trying to absorb another attack.