Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When has Superman ever tuned his energy to imitate a completely foreign type of radiation? When has any post-Crisis GL ever tuned their plasma energy to imitate a completely foreign type of radiation?
Can any one answer this question? Cuz i just started seriously reading Gl comics a few months ago but i assumed this was something they could do fairly easily(along with matter manipulation etc).
Although the Pre-Crisis comics are mostly canon to current Kal El nowadays, he still doesn't perform those feats like waving his hands to create anti-anything-vibrations and such.
He's probably done a similar feat post crisis to the one being asked, but I can't think of one offhand, but my brain isn't in comic mode right now anyways,r eally.
I can't believe some are saying Flash is going to do anything. I see Flash getting dealt with rather easily. Same with Firestorm and MM. The ones that would give him some issues would be supes, ww (defense) and Hal. However, Tyrant has the power cosmic and like surfer can read and analyze his opponent for a weakness. That means Supes gets dealt with and then Hal and WW follow. The team doesn't have enough to put him down. Put somebody down who was one shotting a bunch of top tiers, making thanos flee for fear of being killed (you never hear thanos say that), and then later took it to a well fed Galactus. Tyrant has more then enough power and durability to deal with this team.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I can't believe some are saying Flash is going to do anything. I see Flash getting dealt with rather easily. Same with Firestorm and MM. The ones that would give him some issues would be supes, ww (defense) and Hal. However, Tyrant has the power cosmic and like surfer can read and analyze his opponent for a weakness. That means Supes gets dealt with and then Hal and WW follow. The team doesn't have enough to put him down. Put somebody down who was one shotting a bunch of top tiers, making thanos flee for fear of being killed (you never hear thanos say that), and then later took it to a well fed Galactus. Tyrant has more then enough power and durability to deal with this team.
ALL of the heralds have the power cosmic, but unless they have feats of applying it in the same way as the Surfer, we can't credit them with his feats.
It's the exact same thing with Tyrant.
Originally posted by RaoulBig difference. The disparity in versatility and power should be plainly obvious between pre-Crisis and post-Crisis GLs. Even if you want to ignore the last 20+ years, arguing they were unaffected because they remembered the Crisis and didn't amalgamate with any parallel counterparts or undergo a specifically detailed retcon or reboot is completely disingenuous. Why?
that would matter if there was a difference, when there isn't.
Kal-L was a pre-Crisis Kryptonian. He, more than anybody in such an attenuated category, should not have changed at all. He remembered the Crisis. He didn't amalgamate. The universe didn't try to fit him in. But he obviously changed. Because he was as strong as current Kal-El when he came back in Infinite Crisis. Very simple. We've had this conversation before.
Originally posted by Naija boyNo. It's not. Common myth. Matter manipulation capabilities are also all over the place post-Crisis. Just look at the most recent issue of Superman/Batman:
Can any one answer this question? Cuz i just started seriously reading Gl comics a few months ago but i assumed this was something they could do fairly easily(along with matter manipulation etc).
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
ALL of the heralds have the power cosmic, but unless they have feats of applying it in the same way as the Surfer, we can't credit them with his feats.It's the exact same thing with Tyrant.
So, let me get the straight... Somebody who has more cosmic power couldn't do something that somebody with a fraction of the same power could do? Not to mention how has been around longer and thus obviously become better versed in said power. Just because somebody hasn't done it and not been in many comics doesn't mean we throw common sense out the window when clearly he's a lot more powerful then surfer with more power cosmic to boot.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0So I guess every other time GLs create themselves or others oxygen masks or bubbles in space now, just got retconned. 🙄
No. It's not. Common myth. Matter manipulation capabilities are also all over the place post-Crisis. Just look at the most recent issue of Superman/Batman:
It's cool dude. Make up your own continuity as you go. 😄
^ I didn't write the comic. DC did.
Originally posted by Kris BlazeOf course it's canon.
Didn't know that was canon.Kyle and the wog could create life though, in Rann/Thag
I'm aware, which is why I said their matter manipulation feats are all over the place. If you were to try to reconcile the two, they actually only extract oxygen from the mostly oxygen-depleted atmosphere and compel accelerated mutation of indigineous organisms to produce oxygen. Which is more in line with the recent Superman/Batman scan. Inducing accelerated mutation for organisms to start producing oxygen is a very round-about way to restore an atmosphere. Which speaks to the conclusion that, Kyle and Kilowog couldn't simply transmute the atmosphere into an oxygen-rich atmosphere.
Since John Stewart is on the Moon, he has nothing to work with except moonrocks. He can't transmute oxygen from room rocks, there's no atmosphere to extract sufficient oxygen levels from and he can't make it out of thin air.
Still. Makes you wonder how they fly around in space though. 😐
Originally posted by OneDumbG0http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5712/su1lr5.jpg Or how they fly tons of people through space?
^ I didn't write the comic. DC did.
Of course it's canon.I'm aware, which is why I said their matter manipulation feats are all over the place. If you were to try to reconcile the two, they actually only extract oxygen from the mostly oxygen-depleted atmosphere and compel accelerated mutation of indigineous organisms to produce oxygen. Which is more in line with the recent Superman/Batman scan. Inducing accelerated mutation for organisms to start producing oxygen is a very round-about way to restore an atmosphere. Which speaks to the conclusion that, Kyle and Kilowog couldn't simply transmute the atmosphere into oxygen.
Since John Stewart is on the Moon, he has nothing to work with except moonrocks. He can't transmute oxygen from room rocks, there's no atmosphere to extract sufficient oxygen levels from and he can't make it out of thin air.
Still. Makes you wonder how they fly around in space though. 😐
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, let me get the straight... Somebody who has more cosmic power couldn't do something that somebody with a fraction of the same power could do? Not to mention how has been around longer and thus obviously become better versed in said power. Just because somebody hasn't done it and not been in many comics doesn't mean we throw common sense out the window when clearly he's a lot more powerful then surfer with more power cosmic to boot.
Is this really how people think.. Surfer could do something like scan with the PC and tyrant couldn't? That is just silly
Originally posted by JuntaiYou could reasonably assert that they made the bubbles around the people while on Earth, which captures sufficient air before they fly off. Either way, it still does makes you facepalm.
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/5712/su1lr5.jpg Or how they fly tons of people through space?
Firestorm must be in there making oxygen.
Lol @ Firestorm making oxygen. I missed that joke. 😄
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Then you need to bring scans of him doing it.I saw little more than energy blasts.
Tyrant, is Tyrant.
As short as his appearances were, he was the first herald(In a way.).
Anything Silver Surfer etc. can do, he should be able to do effortlessly.
Tyrant has been around much longer than any other herald, is much more experienced than any other herald, and has much more power than them.
It's just common sense in my opinion.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Tyrant, is Tyrant.As short as his appearances were, he was the first herald(In a way.).
Anything Silver Surfer etc. can do, he should be able to do effortlessly.
Tyrant has been around much longer than any other herald, is much more experienced than any other herald, and has much more power than them.
It's just common sense in my opinion.
QFT.
It's just stupid to think Surfer could scan for weakness and Tyrant couldn't just because he didn't do it during his limited showings.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Here's a brain wracker for real though.
You could reasonably assert that they made the bubbles around the people while on Earth, which captures sufficient air before they fly off. Either way, it still does makes you facepalm.Lol @ Firestorm making oxygen. I missed that joke. 😄
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusHowever, still a character trait that he NEVER HAS. 😉
Tyrant, is Tyrant.As short as his appearances were, he was the first herald(In a way.).
Anything Silver Surfer etc. can do, he should be able to do effortlessly.
Tyrant has been around much longer than any other herald, is much more experienced than any other herald, and has much more power than them.
It's just common sense in my opinion.
