Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's illogical in my opinion to assume that Tyrant cannot scan a being and discover their weakness when Silver Surfer can.
Originally posted by Juntai
However, still a character trait that he NEVER HAS. 😉
Not even once in '65, like half of Thor's feats.
Wow, precognition.
Originally posted by Juntai
When you operate on a higher level of thought, its tough to print them two dimensionally.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I guess I'll have to pull a moderator in here to tell you just how ridiculously stupid it is.
Yes please get a moderator so he can clarify this. It's seems Illogical that Tyrant couldn't do something surfer could do considering he's older, with more experience iwth the PC and more of it. So, please get a moderator to explain the rules on this. Tyrant has limited appearances far far far fewer then surfer which explain to me why this wasn't seen.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yes please get a moderator so he can clarify this. It's seems Illogical that Tyrant couldn't do something surfer could do considering he's older, with more experience iwth the PC and more of it. So, please get a moderator to explain the rules on this. Tyrant has limited appearances far far far fewer then surfer which explain to me why this wasn't seen.
I think that in the long run look at the heralds...they are not all the same...they dont all share the same feats,we should not give feats that a character has never done.....i do understand where your coming from though...but its not an option here on the vs boards...and i dont think it should be.
Originally posted by Lord FeronIf this were so then whey does he need to constantly feed on the energies of others in the form of orbs hmmm?
FYI if this helps anyone, Tyrant is like Power Cosmic incarnate. Other heralds after him were people imbued with the PC. I believe Tyrant is Power cosmic given bodily form.
Originally posted by Mindset
The same reason Galactus needs to eat planets?
Originally posted by fangirl101
becuz neither are energy incarnate. Not this infinite PC that people would think. they draw upon the power cosmic as do the heralds. just to a much larger degree. and Galactus eats planets becuz he must. To maintain balance.
Idk about Tyrant, but Galactus is really an energy being.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Big difference. The disparity in versatility and power should be plainly obvious between pre-Crisis and post-Crisis GLs. Even if you want to ignore the last 20+ years, arguing they were unaffected because they remembered the Crisis and didn't amalgamate with any parallel counterparts or undergo a specifically detailed retcon or reboot is completely disingenuous. Why?Kal-L was a pre-Crisis Kryptonian. He, more than anybody in such an attenuated category, should not have changed at all. He remembered the Crisis. He didn't amalgamate. The universe didn't try to fit him in. But he obviously changed. Because he was as strong as current Kal-El when he came back in Infinite Crisis. Very simple. We've had this conversation before.
superman is the exception, not the rule.
also, there isn't a huge disparity between pre 86 gl's and post 86 gl's for several years. it's really only up to hal going off the deep end. after that, things died down. and even then, kyle has some really nice feats.
and there is the fact that tons of other characters are written less stupidly than they were back before the crisis.
there's no DEFINITIVE evidence to suggest the gl's were changed. unless you can get definitive proof, then s'far as im concerned, the comics stand.
also, as far as the tyrant thing goes. unless he has superior cosmic awareness feats or matter/energy manipulation, then no, he can't have surfer's feats.
Originally posted by Raoul
superman is the exception, not the rule.also, there isn't a huge disparity between pre 86 gl's and post 86 gl's for several years. it's really only up to hal going off the deep end. after that, things died down. and even then, kyle has some really nice feats.
and there is the fact that tons of other characters are written less stupidly than they were back before the crisis.
there's no DEFINITIVE evidence to suggest the gl's were changed. unless you can get definitive proof, then s'far as im concerned, the comics stand.
also, as far as the tyrant thing goes. unless he has superior cosmic awareness feats or matter/energy manipulation, then no, he can't have surfer's feats.
I didn't say he should have his feats I'm saying logic should be used.
1. Tyrant has a lot less showings then Surfer and I thought there was a rule that just because somebody has displayed a feat/power doesn't mean he can't do it. Now character to character with totally different powers it's reasonable that Konvict can't clone himself like MM. They aren't close to the same. However, when you have somebody with WAY more PC then another character who is able to perform a feat with the PC thus it logical he should. It's not like they are drawing from different power sources. They are drawing from the same source it's just that some have adapted and perfected and gained more awareness then others. Tyrant has been around longer and thus just by that alone has more practice and more awareness of his powers one would have to assume and he has more of it to begin with.
2. Surfer has been in way more comics. So, isn't it also logical that because that is the case it's also could stand to reason that Tyrant could display a scanning for weakness awareness had he been in more comics. How can the lack of showings and the above not factor into things?
Lastly, does somebody have scans or know of a time when Galactus scanned a enemy to find out their weakness and then used that to defeat an enemy. I'm looking for examples of when this has happened. I can't think of any of the top of my head so maybe somebody has them. If he hasn't then that further proves my point. Now were going to say Galactus can't do what SS can do....that is just silly
Originally posted by RaoulYou've got it backwards. The general rule is that the Crisis changed DC characters, mostly to the extent of erasing, resetting or simply depowering their more silly feats/histories. You're trying to argue that the GLs are the exception to this general rule simply because they remember the Crisis and weren't specifically retconned/rebooted.
superman is the exception, not the rule.also, there isn't a huge disparity between pre 86 gl's and post 86 gl's for several years. it's really only up to hal going off the deep end. after that, things died down. and even then, kyle has some really nice feats.
and there is the fact that tons of other characters are written less stupidly than they were back before the crisis.
there's no DEFINITIVE evidence to suggest the gl's were changed. unless you can get definitive proof, then s'far as im concerned, the comics stand.
First, even if we gave you a pass on this suspect reasoning, it doesn't work. All things considered equal, your reasoning is both logical and possible. But it's completely contradicted by the depowering of Kal-L. He, like the GLs, remembered the Crisis and was not directly retconned/rebooted. There is no positive evidence that there was a specific depowerment or retcon/reboot of Kal-L. He, more than anybody, is exactly the same character that he was when he entered the Crisis and came back from the Crisis. Just one glaring problem: When he reappeared in Infinite Crisis, he was pretty much Kal-El's equal, a severe depowering from PC-Kryptonian levels.
You're trying to argue that Kal-L is the exception to the exception to the general rule. And that doesn't wash because you haven't distinguished the so-called "attributes" that make GLs "special."
The only people who would fit into your exception to the rule would be the Green Lanterns, and empirically speaking, they don't even conform. There's nothing post-1986 that comes close to the zaniness of pre-Crisis absurdity. Kyle has always been a special case for reasons of specific plot, i.e. special ring, Ion energies, etc.
I don't need DEFINITIVE evidence. I shouldn't be forced to prove a negative, even though I have. The fact remains: current GLs are nowhere near as powerful as they were pre-Crisis. The Crisis had that effect on everyone. The last 20+ years of current continuity is evidence of this. There is no reason to treat GLs as an exception. This is especially true because any attenuated rationalization based on them "being above/outside the Crisis and not specifically rebooted/retconned," is outright contradicted by Kal-L's situation.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0However the point of Infinite Crisis, is that it undid what COIE did.
You've got it backwards. The general rule is that the Crisis changed DC characters, mostly to the extent of erasing, resetting or simply depowering their more silly feats/histories. You're trying to argue that the GLs are the exception to this general rule simply because they remember the Crisis and weren't specifically retconned/rebooted.First, even if we gave you a pass on this suspect reasoning, it doesn't work. All things considered equal, your reasoning is both logical and possible. But it's completely contradicted by the depowering of Kal-L. He, like the GLs, remembered the Crisis and was not directly retconned/rebooted. There is no positive evidence that there was a specific depowerment or retcon/reboot of Kal-L. He, more than anybody, is exactly the same character that he was when he entered the Crisis and came back from the Crisis. Just one glaring problem: When he reappeared in Infinite Crisis, he was pretty much Kal-El's equal, a severe depowering from PC-Kryptonian levels.
You're trying to argue that Kal-L is the exception to the exception to the general rule. And that doesn't wash because you haven't distinguished the so-called "attributes" that make GLs "special."
The only people who would fit into your exception to the rule would be the Green Lanterns, and empirically speaking, they don't even conform. There's nothing post-1986 that comes close to the zaniness of pre-Crisis absurdity. Kyle has always been a special case for reasons of specific plot, i.e. special ring, Ion energies, etc.
I don't need DEFINITIVE evidence. I shouldn't be forced to prove a negative, even though I have. The fact remains: current GLs are nowhere near as powerful as they were pre-Crisis. The Crisis had that effect on everyone. The last 20+ years of current continuity is evidence of this. There is no reason to treat GLs as an exception. This is especially true because any attenuated rationalization based on them "being above/outside the Crisis and not specifically rebooted/retconned," is outright contradicted by Kal-L's situation.
Similarly, current Kal El, and even Batman's, and pretty much the rest of the DC heros stories, now involve their pre-crisis issues.
And Superman's reboot no longer applies as his origin.