Originally posted by JuntaiIt didn't specifically undo what COIE did. It did split the DC Universe into a 52 Multiverse. It did reintroduce some history as Alexandor Luthor states on-panel, e.g. Wonderwoman was a founding member. But that doesn't necessarily reintroduce PC powerlevels. In terms of a reversion to PC continuity as you suggest, Powergirl was specifically reverted to be that same Earth-2 PC Powergirl she always was. She definitely isn't at PC levels now.
However the point of Infinite Crisis, is that it undid what COIE did.Similarly, current Kal El, and even Batman's, and pretty much the rest of the DC heros stories, now involve their pre-crisis issues.
And Superman's reboot no longer applies as his origin.
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You're just trying to get PC-Superman's feats into current Superman's resume now, aren't you? uhuh
Some pre-Crisis continuity was reincorporated back into several of DC's characters. But that has been progressively happening for a while and has happened more in issues of Superman and Justice League more than anything. But every adventure we specifically see retold in those storylines, showcases levels of power that are much more aligned with current continuity rather than PC continuity. I think that much is clear.
Originally posted by JuntaiAs I've read more classic Marvel, their 1960's and 1970's are just fine. Especially when the more suspect aspects have been consistently reinforced decade after decade. For example:
However, I must say I'm still mostly against using 1960s and 70s scans as evidence, as it was wholly a different era in both of the big two.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
[b]XII. DOOM'S INVENTIONSTo better showcase Doom's genius, I've catalogued nearly all of Doom's inventions from his appearances. Some appear to be quite far-fetched, but I paid special attention to the more outlandish inventions to see if they made more than one appearance to give them credibility and weight. For instance, in Doom's second appearance in Fantastic Four #6, he creates a Magnetic Grabber to propel the entire Baxter Building into outer space:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomDevice01-MagneticGrabber6.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomDevice02-MagneticGrabber6.jpgAnd if you think that's just silly Silver Age stuff, well... the Magnetic Grabber makes another appearance decades later in Fantastic Four #278:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomDevice29-MagneticGrabber278.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomDevice30-MagneticGrabber278.jpgAnother of Doom's seemingly more outlandish inventions is the Molecule Expander. It emits intensified molecules which expand to the size of boulders, as first seen in Marvel Superheroes #20. Don't worry, you'll see it again:
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0I've got lots of examples from lots of Marvel characters, Doom just being an obvious one.
[b]XV. DOOM'S ARMOR (cont'd)Doom's armor is outfitted with a plethora of offensive gadgets. Here is a catalogue of built-in armaments that you would expect Doom to have. Again, any of the more zany ones, I've paid attention to whether or not there have been repeat appearances. Surprisingly, there are...
And remember that goofy Molecular Expander? Yeah... he built it into his armor by Astonishing Tales #3:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor04-FieldNullifierMolecular.jpgAnd uses the Molecular Expander against Iron Man in Iron Man #149:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Doom%20Inventions/DoomArmor32-MoleculeExpanderIronMan.jpgAnd uses the Molecular Expander again in Amazing Spiderman #350:
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Originally posted by OneDumbG0Got any examples of current Hulk[90' plus?] clapping any or multiple universes to dust in one shot in there?
As I've read more classic Marvel, their 1960's and 1970's are just fine. Especially when the more suspect aspects have been consistently reinforced decade after decade. For example:.
Again, powerlevels now and then, are different, in both companies, despite being in continuity, in both companies.
One isn't more viable in the other, just because you say so, bro.
Originally posted by JuntaiIIRC, that happened in the early 80's and I think it was a dimension, not a universe. I can definitely show you stuff for Thor that I think you might find surprising later tonight when I get access to my scans.
Got any examples of current Hulk[90' plus?] clapping any universes to dust in there?Again, powerlevels now and then, are different, in both companies, despite being in continuity, in both companies.
Agreed. But powerlevels for current GLs and pre-Crisis GLs are different and the reasoning that they are in continuity is extremely disputable. If they show Hal in a flashback turning someone into a bird or turning an atomic blast into confetti, by all means, use it. Til then, I'll not give them the benefit of the doubt when they had a company-wide event which specifically retconned out that exact type of Silver Age nonsense.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I guess I'll have to pull a moderator in here to tell you just how ridiculously stupid it is.
Please do. I would love to see a moderator explain this to me.
They both draw power from the same source, but Tyrant is much more experienced, much more adept and much more powerful.
It's not as if he gets his powers from the Sun. They are both Power Cosmic empowered beings but Tyrant was the first and was the one with the greatest reserves of power.
Different beings empowered by the Power Cosmic have different awareness, different levels of experience and different levels of power.
Silver Surfer and Nova etc.
Tyrant draws his power from the same source, but has had much more time to learn, adapt etc. to his powers, and is so much more powerful than Silver Surfer.
Nothing Norrin can do should be beyond his abilities. It's really simple.
It's just common sense.
Originally posted by iceman24567 Nah its basically finished now since you can't prove he can do it even if you had all the comics ever made 😐
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True enough.
Seriously though, it's just common sense in this situation to understand that Tyrant can do what any other Power Cosmic Herald can do.
Have we ever seen Galactus drain Gamma Energy from a being, or scan an enemy for weaknesses?
I don't believe we have but it doesn't mean he can't.
We are not comparing beings with two completely different power sources.
One is just more experienced, more powerful, more adept etc. than the other.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Why not? At this point Flash steals his speed since CIS is off and gives more speed to others. GL and FS will be exploiting weaknesses while others batter him to death. Don't forget he is a statue once flash uses his power
My favorite character is Wally West and I love him as much as anyone could, but I find it unlikely that would work on someone like Tyrant.
I'm not saying it can't as he has done it to Inertia, and PIS free Flash who doesn't get toned down can beat the crap out of most people but haven't other beings resisted this ability before?
Ones who aren't connected to the Speed Force?
I could be wrong though as it's been a while since I try to keep anything Flash related out of mind nowadays. His book has been horrible lately.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
My favorite character is Wally West and I love him as much as anyone could, but I find it unlikely that would work on someone like Tyrant.I'm not saying it can't as he has done it to Inertia, and PIS free Flash who doesn't get toned down can beat the crap out of most people but haven't other beings resisted this ability before?
Ones who aren't connected to the Speed Force?
I could be wrong though as it's been a while since I try to keep anything Flash related out of mind nowadays. His book has been horrible lately.
Originally posted by Raoul
superman is the exception, not the rule.also, there isn't a huge disparity between pre 86 gl's and post 86 gl's for several years. it's really only up to hal going off the deep end. after that, things died down. and even then, kyle has some really nice feats.
and there is the fact that tons of other characters are written less stupidly than they were back before the crisis.
there's no DEFINITIVE evidence to suggest the gl's were changed. unless you can get definitive proof, then s'far as im concerned, the comics stand.
also, as far as the tyrant thing goes. unless he has superior cosmic awareness feats or matter/energy manipulation, then no, he can't have surfer's feats.
Okay, thank you. The bottom sentence reflects some light on this situation.
Still, I find it odd that people cannot except Tyrant being able to do something as simple as scan beings for weaknesses when he is a bigger, badder, more experienced Power Cosmic wielding being than Silver Surfer.
So if we go by that logic directly, if Galactus hasn't shown the ability to scan a being for weakness, we have to assume he cannot?
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