Originally posted by Starscream M
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U really are a joke. U made the initial assertion, not me. Based on what we saw from him, Manhattan would lose decisively to silver surfer alone let alone 4 high heralds. Thats all i care about as thats what matters in the context of a versus match. Does Manhattan have alot to go off? unfotunately for him no. Hence he shouldnt be put into such versus matches in the first place.
Originally posted by Naija boymaking a thread doesn't imply thread starter has to prove any side wins...Im under no obligation to prove Dr. manhattan wins. Unlike you, I never said dr. manhattan would definitely win, this is a ****ing comic board...we discuss these things for fun, what ifs. None of it is set in stone. You take shit too seriously and can't seem to be civil.
What are u visually impaired? I specifically mentioned that the reason Digi temoved him from the list was [B]because of his lack of feats. Digi may personaly believe that his implied powerset puts him at trans. I respect thay but it in no way makes it true. Yet im absolutely sure that neither digi nor smurph nor any other reasonable poster would create a thread with Dr Manhattan vs four high heralds while being unwilling as well as knowing fully well he would be unable to prove it. Thats what differentiates u from him and thats were ur idiocy lies.Further its not my job to prove a negative. U made the claim that Manhattan could win the match. You had no evidence to base this off while i had years worth of feats to go off. If Manhattan doesnt have the feats to prove he can take out four high heralds, thats too bad for him. Within the KMC environment a characters feats are the highest form of evidence. [/B]
Could the 4 heralds beat Dr. M, yes they very well could. But is it plausible that dr. could win, yes in my opinion. its a friggin opinion, about something that will never happen. people are entitled to their opinions in this country last time I checked without having to be called idiots.
If you say we don't know enough about dr. Manhattan, then how can you be so goddamn sure he will lose? remember this is a comic board, we're all fans here to have fun discussing things...not to get pissed off by things that have no relevance in real life. me believing dr. m is trans doesn't hurt you in any way, and you believing he isn't doesnt hurt me in any way. let's be civil in our discussions despite disagreements, i find people are too quick to be angered or annoyed at any disagreements. end rant.
Originally posted by Starscream M
what have we seen from dr. m that makes it clear he would decisively lose to Surfer? and if its so damn clear, why do smurph and digi think otherwise?
The point he is trying to get across, that in terms of power, he has shown nothing to suggest he could be Silver Surfer currently.
What was considered as incredibly powerful in the Watchmen Universe, is trivial to what Silver Surfer can accomplish...
He simply lacks the showings.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What was considered as incredibly powerful in the Watchmen Universe, is trivial to what Silver Surfer can accomplish...
you think these are trivial to Surfer?
Originally posted by Starscream M
teleportation instantly to anywhere in the galaxy
ability to create multiple sentient duplicates without known limitations
ability to deconstruct any matter
able to see the future to a degree
increase and decrease in size instantly
cause living beings to explode atomically just by looking at them
ability to know what everyone is thinking and planning to doyou think these are trivial to Surfer?
That wouldn't help against Norrin.
He can see in a non linear fashion through time but if I recall he can't do anything about it, while Norrin can see through time through concentration and can do something about it.
Able to deconstruct any matter?
What do you base that on, as he hasn't gone around any deconstructed all forms of matter throughout the Universe.
Either way, in terms of matter manipulation, Silver Surfer's feats out class Dr. Manhattan's.
Causing human beings to explode just by looking at them isn't impressive, as Silver Surfer has caused planetary explosions just as easily.
Silver Surfer has telepathy.
Originally posted by Starscream M
making a thread doesn't imply thread starter has to prove any side wins...Im under no obligation to prove Dr. manhattan wins. Unlike you, I never said dr. manhattan would definitely win, this is a ****ing comic board...we discuss these things for fun, what ifs. None of it is set in stone. You take shit too seriously and can't seem to be civil.Could the 4 heralds beat Dr. M, yes they very well could. But is it plausible that dr. could win, yes in my opinion. its a friggin opinion, about something that will never happen. people are entitled to their opinions in this country last time I checked without having to be called idiots.
If you say we don't know enough about dr. Manhattan, then how can you be so goddamn sure he will lose? remember this is a comic board, we're all fans here to have fun discussing things...not to get pissed off by things that have no relevance in real life. me believing dr. m is trans doesn't hurt you in any way, and you believing he isn't doesnt hurt me in any way. let's be civil in our discussions despite disagreements, i find people are too quick to be angered or annoyed at any disagreements. end rant.
In that thread u were indeed arguing that Dr Manhattan would win. Hence u did make the assertion. And hence according to forum rules u did have to prove it or drop the nonsensical argument. That is what u explicitly FAILED to do and instead u have resorted to clinging on to people who never even agreed with that assertion in the first place. lol at taking shit seriously. My addressing inane statements in the manner which they should be addressed isnt indicative of the level of anything. Heck the only reason i address such jibberish is cuz i find it amusing. Further ur whole " be civil" angle got thrown out the window when u referred to me as a "close minded idiot" so get ur useless hypocrisy the hell out of here.
I may have the opinion that Batman can beat living tribunal. No problems. However when i engage in a debate about such and entirely fail and refuse to prove it, thats where the problem arises.
Im only sure that DR M will lose WITHIN a KMC environment in which feats and showings are the supreme evidence for all debates. Obviously Dr M doesnt fit into such an environment due to his inadequate amount of showings hence his being removed from the tiers list. However when despite his lack of showings he is placed into the KMC vs environment, we will have to go by the principles which govern it. And based on those principles he loses badly. Moreover as i said above, im far more amused than "pissed off".
Originally posted by Starscream M
BFR others with a thought
ability to instantly reform from being destroyed on a molecular level
So he can reform after being destroyed by characters from Watchmen and can battle field remove characters in the Watchmen Universe.
Still didn't do anything impressive to put him above Norrin from what I remember.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That wouldn't help against Norrin.He can see in a non linear fashion through time but if I recall he can't do anything about it, while Norrin can see through time through concentration and can do something about it.
Able to deconstruct any matter?
What do you base that on, as he hasn't gone around any deconstructed all forms of matter throughout the Universe.
Either way, in terms of matter manipulation, Silver Surfer's feats out class Dr. Manhattan's.
Causing human beings to explode just by looking at them isn't impressive, as Silver Surfer has caused planetary explosions just as easily.
Silver Surfer has telepathy.
1. when has surfer easily read people's minds and predicted their intentions?
2. has surfer ever turned sand or other simple elements into complex structures?
3. surfer blows things up by blasting them. Dr. Manhattan just thinks something blown up, and that thing will be blown up. Which do you think is more effective, a blast that is avoidable, or someone merely thinking, which isn't.
4. has surfer ever created full duplicates of himself like Dr. M?
5. can surfer bfr someone with a mere thought in the blink of a second?
6. can surfer instanteounsly reform if his body is destroyed into atoms?
Originally posted by Starscream M
again, you resort to personal attacks. is this how you are in real life too, anytime you disagree with someone, you attack and belittle them?
Are u such an obvious hypocrite in real life? Or is ur delusion of innocence only on internet forums? I took the exact same words u directed to Rage of Olympus and directed them at u and u are complaining to me about attacking and belittling u? What nonsense.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympushe was destroyed by a hightech device made specifically to destroy him...and it didn't. he literally reformed in seconds and was back to normal.
So he can reform after being destroyed by characters from Watchmen and can battle field remove characters in the Watchmen Universe.Still didn't do anything impressive to put him above Norrin from what I remember.
He can teleport anything as far as it was shown in the comic.
Originally posted by Naija boywhen I said it to rage, I meant it as a joke...I like trading back and forth jabs with rage, he's fun to debate.
Are u such an obvious hypocrite in real life? Or is ur delusion of innocence only on internet forums? I took the exact same words u directed to Rage of Olympus and directed them at u and u are complaining to me about attacking and belittling u? What nonsense.
Originally posted by Naija boy1. I actually did provide my argument for why I think Dr. M has a chance. The fact that you don't buy it (and you;re free to do so) doesn't mean that I didn't try to at least prove my case. People end up disagreeing all the time in debates, doesn't mean either side was speaking nonsense.
In that thread u were indeed arguing that Dr Manhattan would win. Hence u [B]did make the assertion. And hence according to forum rules u did have to prove it or drop the nonsensical argument. That is what u explicitly FAILED to do and instead u have resorted to clinging on to people who never even agreed with that assertion in the first place. lol at taking shit seriously. My addressing inane statements in the manner which they should be addressed isnt indicative of the level of anything. Heck the only reason i address such jibberish is cuz i find it amusing. Further ur whole " be civil" angle got thrown out the window when u referred to me as a "close minded idiot" so get ur useless hypocrisy the hell out of here.I may have the opinion that Batman can beat living tribunal. No problems. However when i engage in a debate about such and entirely fail and refuse to prove it, thats where the problem arises.
Im only sure that DR M will lose WITHIN a KMC environment in which feats and showings are the supreme evidence for all debates. Obviously Dr M doesnt fit into such an environment due to his inadequate amount of showings hence his being removed from the tiers list. However when despite his lack of showings he is placed into the KMC vs environment, we will have to go by the principles which govern it. And based on those principles he loses badly. Moreover as i said above, im far more amused than "pissed off". [/B]
2. I called you a close minded idiot AFTER being called an idiot by you several times earlier, and not responding in kind. Im not perfect.
3. I dont care to argue dr. m vs heralds any longer. you believe he definitely loses, fine, thats your opinion. I think he has a chance, thats all.
Originally posted by Starscream M
1. when has surfer easily read people's minds and predicted their intentions?2. has surfer ever turned sand or other simple elements into complex structures?
3. surfer blows things up by blasting them. Dr. Manhattan just thinks something blown up, and that thing will be blown up. Which do you think is more effective, a blast that is avoidable, or someone merely thinking, which isn't.
4. has surfer ever created full duplicates of himself like Dr. M?
5. can surfer bfr someone with a mere thought in the blink of a second?
6. can surfer instanteounsly reform if his body is destroyed into atoms?
1) He has shown vast psychic abilities in the past. He doesn't need to read people's minds.
2) He has turned sand into complex matters and has shown planetary wide manipulation if I recall in the past.
3) He blew up humanoids while Silver Surfer blows up planetary bodies. Twist it as much as you want but he hasn't shown anything on the level of Silver Surfer in terms of distraction.
4) Silver Surfer doesn't.
5) He can easily transport beings by creating worm holes etc. He has actually done it on a Universal scale. What has Doctor Manhattan?
6) He has shown incredible healing abilities but I wouldn't know how extensive as he hasn't been destroyed completely.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus1. um, the point of telepathy is to read people's minds.
1) He has shown vast psychic abilities in the past. He doesn't need to read people's minds.2) He has turned sand into complex matters and has shown planetary wide manipulation if I recall in the past.
3) He blew up humanoids while Silver Surfer blows up planetary bodies. Twist it as much as you want but he hasn't shown anything on the level of Silver Surfer in terms of distraction.
4) Silver Surfer doesn't.
5) He can easily transport beings by creating worm holes etc. He has actually done it on a Universal scale. What has Doctor Manhattan?
6) He has shown incredible healing abilities but I wouldn't know how extensive as he hasn't been destroyed completely.
2. ok, so he and dr. m are on the same level in matter manipulation since dr. m can do so also.
3. dr. m did not need to blow up planetary bodies. not doing so does not equal not being capable of doing so.
4. ok, so another point for dr. m.
5. teleport himself and others far easier than I've seen surfer do so.
6. I have seen surfer injured many times, critically, passing out, etc. None of this is possible to Dr. M.