Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusso whats the point of this debate
It's completely obvious that it was weaker.Even with the belt of strength Mjolnir was shattered and the God Blast for Galactus like you said needed a stand and was so powerful it engulfed even Galactus himself.
Either way, it was retconed into Galactus being weakened and in no way, shape or form proves that Cain is more durable than Galactus.....
if I show evidence, you're gonna just make excuses...oh the godblast looked more powerful, oh galactus was weakened, oh it was retconned.
while you show me no evidence of galactus' supposed invulnerability. why dont you show me a scan of galactus shrugging off a powerful attack with no damage if he is so friggin invulnerable?
Originally posted by Mindsetyeah, I guess we can just interpret his intentions based on his over 40 years of characterizations where he doesn't speak nonsense and doesn't boast without backing it up
I guess so, too bad Thor isn't real so you could ask him his intentions.
but I guess thor knew his godblast was weak, just wanted to scare juggy with the bit about harming galactus and celestial 🙄
Originally posted by Starscream M
oh pleasethor himself says that the godblast he hits juggy with is the same type that drove away galactus and even stopped a celestial...yet juggernaut laughed it off. are you blind?
I never claimed silver surfer cannot phase. I didn't know that about him, and I admit I was wrong.
I never said colossus was the second most durable person on earth. again, learn to read before you comment. i said colossus has the second best durability against PIERCING damage only.
The Godblast that thor hit the celestial with was far more powerful than the one he hit juggy with. Mjolnir was unable to even withstand its Godly energies and was hence destroyed in the process. Dont see any of that happening in this instance. Also the galactus incident happened years ago when galactus was starving and extremely weakened from his battle with Ego the living planet. I dont know why u cant understand that....scratch that i do know. its the same reason for most of ur other nonsensical claims. ignorance and idiocy
Also u never said he collosus was the second most durable on earth then what is this:
Originally posted by Starscream M
yep good pointout of pure durability (meaning without factoring HF), Colossus is the MOST durable being on marvel earth besides classic juggernaut
U even said "PURE DURABILITY", u didnt specify piercing damage. Even that is still false anyways.
Originally posted by Starscream MI guess so.
yeah, I guess we can just interpret his intentions based on his over 40 years of characterizations where he doesn't speak nonsense and doesn't boast without backing it upbut I guess thor knew his godblast was weak, just wanted to scare juggy with the bit about harming galactus and celestial 🙄
I guess he knew this Godblast was weaker than the one he used on the Celestial too, which is why he didn't wrap Mjolnir in the Belt of Strength to keep it from crumbling.
Originally posted by Naija boyyou're right, i didn't specify. but this whole thread is about pierce durability...not any other type of durability.U even said "PURE DURABILITY", u didnt specify piercing damage. Even that is still false anyways.
you're the ignorant one, mocking me when I said Dr. Manhattan had a shot against 4 heralds. Yet Digi, a respected poster and knowledgeable comic fan even has him at trans. Now, Im not saying you're wrong, you may well be right that dr. manhattan does lose, but you made it seem like only an idiot would think otherwise shows how closeminded and arrogant you are.
Originally posted by MindsetI dont dispute the celestial instance was more powerful...as you stated, mjolnir almost crumbled...that is actualy physical evidence. I will accept it, unlike you guys, Im not gonna make excuses and try to fit interpretations to fit my agenda.
I guess so.I guess he knew this Godblast was weaker than the one he used on the Celestial too, which is why he didn't wrap Mjolnir in the Belt of Strength to keep it from crumbling.
But I dont believe the godblast he did against galactus was any stronger (at least not significantly) than the one he hit juggy with. And also even assumign one was somewhat stronger, remember that Galactus was fearing for his life while Juggernaut was literally treating the godblast like a joke.
Originally posted by Starscream M so galactus being weakened can be damaged
Any being can when weakened. So can the Juggernaut.
Originally posted by Starscream M
guess what, cain weakened still retains complete invulnerability
Are you trying to embarrass yourself?
How is Cain completely invulnerable even when weakened?
How can you still think he is completely invulnerable even at full power when I just showed you a scan that proves he is not?
Where do you come with this crap?
Originally posted by Starscream M hence, cain is more durable since his durability does not get weaker with sustenance or lack of energy...like galactus does.
Galactus' power weakens because his power needs to feed. He keeps the balance of the Universe in check.
If you take away Cain's power source, Cytorrak, he would also weaken.
Galactus' sustenance is akin to Cain's power coming from Cytorrak.
That is some of the worst reasoning I have ever read.
Originally posted by Starscream M so whats the point of this debateif I show evidence, you're gonna just make excuses...oh the godblast looked more powerful, oh galactus was weakened, oh it was retconned.
It was retconned. It was clearly retconned in "Thor Annual #14".
How is that an excuse?
The God Blast was obviously weaker than the one that he used against the Celestials and Galactus.
He used Mjolnir wrapped around in the Belt of Strength and it still shattered. He used a stand, and his power was so immense it consumed Galactus' entire form and was able to send him back, while the one against the Juggernaut was a narrow beam of energy from a Thor who was so sick he could barely pick a car and was barely conscious.
What is wrong with you?
Originally posted by Starscream M while you show me no evidence of galactus' supposed invulnerability. why dont you show me a scan of galactus shrugging off a powerful attack with no damage if he is so friggin invulnerable?
What's there to show?
He has taken Solar System annihilating attacks easily without any damage, his fights with Tyrant destroy entire Galaxies etc.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympusare you shitting me? you seriously using that scan? so Juggernaut can deal with godblast but gets hurt by a little fire...ok you've convinced me...juggy is a pussy in terms of durability. that scan proves it, the dude can't even handle some fire that the thing or colossus would both shrug off. can't believe I've been so blind, here thinking Juggernaut was nigh-invincible and all. thank you for educating me, rage, and have a good night. 🙂Where do you come with this crap?
Originally posted by Starscream M
are you shitting me? you seriously using that scan? so Juggernaut can deal with godblast but gets hurt by a little fire...ok you've convinced me...juggy is a pussy in terms of durability. that scan proves it, the dude can't even handle some fire that the thing or colossus would both shrug off. can't believe I've been so blind, here thinking Juggernaut was nigh-invincible and all. thank you for educating me, rage, and have a good night. 🙂
Good you finally conceded.
I just wanted to prove that Cain is not immune to physical force. No being like Cain etc. truly is.
You have a good night too.
😄
Hey, this conversation was going no where. You forced me to resort to that.
Originally posted by Starscream M
you're right, i didn't specify. but this whole thread is about pierce durability...not any other type of durability.you're the ignorant one, mocking me when I said Dr. Manhattan had a shot against 4 heralds. Yet Digi, a respected poster and knowledgeable comic fan even has him at trans. Now, Im not saying you're wrong, you may well be right that dr. manhattan does lose, but you made it seem like only an idiot would think otherwise shows how closeminded and arrogant you are.
U specified "pure durability" "without factoring HF". Ur attempts to defend ur idiocy by denying the statement and giving skewed interpretations of it arent fooling anyone. Simply admit the foolishness of the statement and be done with it or continue to wallow in it.
And ur latching on to digi is as funny as it is pitiful. Digi himself has stated he is removing Dr Manhattan from the list exactly because he doesnt have the feats to properly place him there at all let alone put him at trans level. Do u actually think that Digi would start an argument about Dr Manhattan being able to defeat 4 heralds at the same time without having anything to support it? No he wouldnt. Only an idiot would think that Dr Manhattan would beat four high level herald tiers while he has nothing to base it off. Ur failure to actually support ur argument but choice instead to latch on to some imaginary support u think u have further cements the idiocy.
Originally posted by Mindsetoh btw, if this happened the other way around, and lets say when thor fought juggernaut he had to wrap mjolnir with belt of strength from crumbling...I would bet you guys would be like "oh see, mjolnir was already severely weakened, it couldnt even contain the power of the godblast without reinforcement". so its pretty easy to put a spin on a way that favors your view...no matter what happend, you guys would've found a way to interpret it to discount the godblast against juggy.
I guess he knew this Godblast was weaker than the one he used on the Celestial too, which is why he didn't wrap Mjolnir in the Belt of Strength to keep it from crumbling.
Originally posted by Starscream MSure thing, sport.
oh btw, if this happened the other way around, and lets say when thor fought juggernaut he had to wrap mjolnir with belt of strength from crumbling...I would bet you guys would be like "oh see, mjolnir was already severely weakened, it couldnt even contain the power of the godblast without reinforcement". so its pretty easy to put a spin on a way that favors your view...no matter what happend, you guys would've found a way to interpret it to discount the godblast against juggy.
Originally posted by Naija boydigi said there wasn't enough FEATS to justify dr. manhattan, not that dr. manhattan shouldnt belong in trans. Digi clearly believes Dr. Manhattan is trans, hence putting him on the list, but he is reasonable in agreeing that without feats, he should be removed from the list. Again, by that same logic, if we dont have enough feats to quantify where dr. manhattan stands, how the **** are you so sure he would lose? Im open to the possibility of him losing, since I, like digi, agree that he has great implied powers but not enough feats. You're a closeminded idiot who isn't open to the possibility of DrManhattan winning. You say we don't know enough about him, but you are so sure he is below the heralds.
U specified "pure durability" "without factoring HF". Ur attempts to defend ur idiocy by denying the statement and giving skewed interpretations of it arent fooling anyone. Simply admit the foolishness of the statement and be done with it or continue to wallow in it.And ur latching on to digi is as funny as it is pitiful. Digi himself has stated he is removing Dr Manhattan from the list exactly because he doesnt have the feats to properly place him there at all let alone put him at trans level. Do u actually think that Digi would start an argument about Dr Manhattan being able to defeat 4 heralds at the same time without having anything to support it? No he wouldnt. [B]Only
an idiot would think that Dr Manhattan would beat four high level herald tiers while he has nothing to base it off. Ur failure to actually support ur argument but choice instead to latch on to some imaginary support u think u have further cements the idiocy. [/B]
ALso, digi isn't the only respected poster who holds Dr. Manhattan in high regard. Smurph also puts dr. manhattan at trans, but I guess he's an idiot to you to then.
Originally posted by Starscream M
digi said there wasn't enough FEATS to justify dr. manhattan, not that dr. manhattan shouldnt belong in trans. Digi clearly believes Dr. Manhattan is trans, hence putting him on the list, but he is reasonable in agreeing that without feats, he should be removed from the list. Again, by that same logic, if we dont have enough feats to quantify where dr. manhattan stands, how the **** are you so sure he would lose? Im open to the possibility of him losing, since I, like digi, agree that he has great implied powers but not enough feats. You're a closeminded idiot who isn't open to the possibility of DrManhattan winning. You say we don't know enough about him, but you are so sure he is below the heralds.ALso, digi isn't the only respected poster who holds Dr. Manhattan in high regard. Smurph also puts dr. manhattan at trans, but I guess he's an idiot to you to then.
What are u visually impaired? I specifically mentioned that the reason Digi temoved him from the list was because of his lack of feats. Digi may personaly believe that his implied powerset puts him at trans. I respect thay but it in no way makes it true. Yet im absolutely sure that neither digi nor smurph nor any other reasonable poster would create a thread with Dr Manhattan vs four high heralds while being unwilling as well as knowing fully well he would be unable to prove it. Thats what differentiates u from him and thats were ur idiocy lies.
Further its not my job to prove a negative. U made the claim that Manhattan could win the match. You had no evidence to base this off while i had years worth of feats to go off. If Manhattan doesnt have the feats to prove he can take out four high heralds, thats too bad for him. Within the KMC environment a characters feats are the highest form of evidence.
