Let me explain how cuttign someone works. It's all an expression of pressure applied over a small area shaped liek a wedge shearing/dividing it. Even spread out over his entire body the PSI of that rock is MUCH more than Seph can apply even over the tip of a sword. So OoT Link wins by way of brute strength and invulnerability, and AoL Link wins by spell lols. I'm done, I never expect you to admit Sephiroth loses, but I'm not debating this anymore. =/ Well played sir, I have no insults for you, but PLEASE let this thread die so I can do my homework T_T.
Lifting with the golden gauntlets doesn't magically made Links skin unpiercable.
Ok, let me tell you this, the only reason Link was capable of lifting that much is through a fictional accessory, Golden Gauntlet, the Golden Gauntlets would allow ANYONE to lift it, it could have been Princess Zelda. The Golden Gauntlets is fictional and does not follow the real life physics.
Spell wouldn't work on Sephiroth remember? Sephiroth shapeshifts and will, and his mind exists beyond physical.
I'd like to highlight that we're debating VIDEOGAMES. Alot of illogical thigns happen. The gauntlets only give strength, had Zelda tried that she'd have gotten squahed cause her durability = negligible. Link still wins, he's tanked worse things than picking up a rock anyway, but that alone is better than anything Seph's sword can do.
Exactly, so you cannot claim Link has some kind of durability, using real life physics. Link was only capable of lifting because of fictional Golden Gauntlets. If the creators intentionally made Link to be that invulnerable, then they wouldn't have things like falling out of a tree harm him. So unless you have some REAL durability feats, then Link can be cut just as anything else can damage him.
So sorry, but Sephiroth wins.
Terry has no come back for math.
As much as I hate sounding like Colin from SWF and Shoddy Battle, the math is above your mental in take at the moment and it wins.
A long with the fact, Bot's have no mind/brain or any organs to speak of. The normal prowess of one's Consciousness would there in turn become that of the Bot they've become. Your life becomes a simple one of a slime based organic amoeba.
Even if you want to argue that Sephiroth has his will, his will isn't instant. He had to wait so much time before getting out of the life stream and so forth. And where is this proof of him shape shifting into animorphic beings? It would take him time to understand what just had happen. He was turned into a Bot. Link would just have to squish it there after. Sending Sephiroth back to QQ about not being a memory and fade into the "life stream" again.
So he is defeated.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Exactly, so you cannot claim Link has some kind of durability, using real life physics. Link was only capable of lifting because of fictional Golden Gauntlets. If the creators intentionally made Link to be that invulnerable, then they wouldn't have things like falling out of a tree harm him. So unless you have some REAL durability feats, then Link can be cut just as anything else can damage him.So sorry, but Sephiroth wins.
You fail so hard 😆 If the creators didn't want him durable enoguh to lift it, he wouldn't have =] And Link tanked hits that disintegrate stone, tanked the moon, ect Sephiroth literally cannot hurt Link. Just give it up, lol. I have math, I have proof, I have science, everything is on my side, the gauntlets do not boost durability, Link is just that durable, and the only tiem Link ever fell out of a tree was WW Link, not OoT Link, so sorry, but you lose there too. Furthermore, lol@gameplaymechs. Can I demand Seph waits his turn to attack? 😆 you've got nothign man, I'm gonna go quote myself.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
In order for a mass weighing two million pounds to be hurled 200 metres [conveniently downrounded numbers ftw] in one burst of strength Link has to accelerate the mass to a speed of approx 75 m/s because gravity will resist the rise of the mass and return it to earth at a speed of around 30 ft/s or 10 m/s and the maximum heaigth of the rock, being conservative for your benefit, is 30 metres [100 feet]THEREFORE:
E = m x g x z
mass (m) = 2000000 pound = 907184.739999 kilogram
acceleration of gravity (g) = 75 meter/second^2 = 75 meter/second^2
height (z) = 30 meter = 30 meterso E.. potential energy (E) = 2041165665 joule
So, to make that easier to understand, 2041165.665 KJ. Imagine that kind of force behind a ten pound stone? Your typical single ounce bullet uses nowhere close to a hundredth or thousandth of that.
To make my argument clear, a ten pound stone would not be dodgable for Seph, because it wouldn't be moving at bullet speed, it would be a freaking COMET.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
For every action there is an equal reaction, Link withstood all of that energy output/force without beign crushed, he's beyond being sworded by silly little Sephiroth..Also, see how my post has proof and math in it and yours says "NO U!!! D:" and Link could just rip the 'rock' out of the side of a cement building, tear it out of the road, or crush up his hylian sheild cause he doesn't need it and throw that.
And unfortunately for Sephiroth, forcefully being shifted into a bot gives him the mind of a bot. =[
This thread has been won, until you give me some kind of evidence Seph can even harm Link I'm not posting anymore, I'm sick of Link vs threads, and I proved Link can easily throw a rock with much more force than an anti tank round.. this is silliness now.
Sephiroth doesn't have any organs, blood, or anything. And Sephiroths mind exists beyond physical remember? He didn't have a body at all in AC. Yet he was still plotting stuff. He lost his body the first time when he jumped in the mako reactor too before FF7 started. Sephiroth mind/consciousness still existed.
Jenova's powerset, its in the story. When she first landed on earth, she read the minds of the Ancients and transformed into the form of their dead ancestors. In FF7, each Jenova part transformed into the form of Sephiroth, and some transformed into the form of a monster. In AC, Sephiroth was just cells, then when he was revived he transformed back into his form instantly.
Some physics could be applied to game, but there is a point that it only works up until. Like figuring out the weight of something can work, but trying to claim Link's body is invulnerable because he used magic gauntlets to lift heavy stones, then using real like physics to explain why Links body is invulnerable is nonsense. It was the fictional golden gauntlets that allowed him to do it, and nothing more.
Just concede already, even if Sephiroth can't harm Link with his sword (which he obviously can), he has TK and the NL to put him down. Link can't do anything due to his slow speed.
Originally posted by Terryc250It's not his mind. It's his consciousness. And I already established that myself, his will is how he continues to plot and think and not fade away and keep being in the life stream.
I already told you, Sephiroth can transform at will, instantly. His mind exists beyond physical remember?
But that took time.
Where are some cut scenes of him transforming?
and has he ever become a something that doesn't have a cerebral circulatory system? How quick would be be able to realize "what just happened." His body has been separate of him before, he acknowledged what was happening. He has been able to transform, he knew he was doing it. This time it is an instant, quick cast, AOE, transfiguration of himself and he'd have to have the knowledge of the Bot in order to reconstruct himself out of it to put himself back as Sephiroth.
He's a Bot. Even lets say he realizes what has happened, he's trying to put himself back together and Link comes in an instant, already swooping in the moment he cast the spell and swipes down furiously. Time and time again at what is half Bot/ Half seph? (that is giving the benefit of the doubt he CAN even transform out of being a Bot) and by the time Sephiroth is even able to, he'll be a mutilated corpse. Shred into pieces, or simply that Link would sword plant into the thing. Either way, Bot is dead. That bot is Sephiroth.
Repeat Bot Spell. Until Sephiroth wants to give up. By the way, telekinesis is only the physical manifestation of one's mental ability. It's not the be all end all. Sephiroth needs to show str feats in order to show how great his TK can be, you know for future debates to help you.
Will can only go so far. I should know, I read Green Lantern.
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Originally posted by Peach
Knock it off with this crap, please.
edit: afk. Let me explain who I am a bit, it might take along time to exlain.
I am a troll.
Oh, it didn't take that much time I guess.
consciousness is part of the mind. Meaning his mind still exists, even without a body.
2:35, a body piece instantly transforms into Jenova
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3:15, transforms into Jenova monster again
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0:05, Instantly transforms into Sephiroth
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Sephiroth has insane reaction time remember? Far greater then Links, he can transform back, teleport and Link wouldn't have the chance to hit him ever again. That's if Sephiroth lets Link get in the first move anyway, Sephiroth who has greater reaction time/speed/etc most likely would get in the first move and teleport into a distance and crush him with the NL.
Say Sephiroth somehow gets hit, then he regenerates back, and teleports up in the air and surrounds the place with NL, or TK's Link.
err you proved that he can make Jenova monsters. Or prove that he can only become Jeonva monsters ....so...?....proof he can become any animal or person. And he Transformed himself back into himself because of the Jenova right? So I mean, everything is Jenova related.
Nothing would show he knows how to transform out of being a bot.
And, TK'ing Link does what? He's being held. Cast Bot. You haven't debunked he can transform out of being bot, only that Sephiroth has a strong relationship to Jenova based things. And what would the NL do? huh, I mean it's not doing anything in the match against Cloud. It just looms there. And the Lifestream is something specific to Final Fantasy. How would it have an affect even if it had one on a Hylian like Link? Ignore answering that question though because it's pointless for you to do so.
Since, Sephiroth is a Bot. I'm sorry, I thought you were going to show me Sephiroth being able to actually transform into something or another person, but umm...it's all Jenova related and specific at this time, wouldn't you agree? It is obvious. So he's a bot, you know...so yeah...squish.
But uhh, peace out. Maybe I'll bother some other time in the dante thread with the explosion equation.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Jenova
I skimmed over this, says it took this chode 4 years. That is far from instant.