Originally posted by Voyeur
err you proved that he can make Jenova monsters. Or prove that he can only become Jeonva monsters ....so...?....proof he can become any animal or person. And he Transformed himself back into himself because of the Jenova right? So I mean, everything is Jenova related.
Nothing would show he knows how to transform out of being a bot.And, TK'ing Link does what? He's being held. Cast Bot. You haven't debunked he can transform out of being bot, only that Sephiroth has a strong relationship to Jenova based things. And what would the NL do? huh, I mean it's not doing anything in the match against Cloud. It just looms there. And the Lifestream is something specific to Final Fantasy. How would it have an affect even if it had one on a Hylian like Link? Ignore answering that question though because it's pointless for you to do so.
Since, Sephiroth is a Bot. I'm sorry, I thought you were going to show me Sephiroth being able to actually transform into something or another person, but umm...it's all Jenova related and specific at this time, wouldn't you agree? It is obvious. So he's a bot, you know...so yeah...squish.
Spell spell, doesn't even work on everyone in the game, whch is why its not the most powerful spell. Thunder was stated to be more powerful. Obviously it wouldn't work on someone like Ganon or Zant.
Also, it only effects very close by opponents, Sephiroth could move/teleport out of range and destroy Link from far.
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/JenovaI skimmed over this, says it took this chode 4 years. That is far from instant. [/B]
And Negative Lifestream would work on Link, because there's no reason for it not to. You can't say "Well he's not connect to the FFverse" it doesnt matter, then I can say none of Links crap will work against Sephiroth because Sephiroth isn't part of LoZverse.
Sephiroth didn't use any powers against Cloud at all, all he did was fight him melee, without exerting himself at all, just toying with him and taunting him.
yeah kid. You're right. All hail Sephiroth. I'm done with you.
But for the record, "Spell" not affecting Ganondorf and Zant as you said, is null and void because you never have such a magic while facing them. This is Legend of Zelda 2: Adventure of Link, Link. Not OoT or Twilight Princess. Link can't go travel through time to test that can he? Remember.
And Thunder is the most powerful in the sense of damage. the Bot Spell is still just as effective. And the limit once again of game mechanics that you're putting on Link, is hypocritical of you. AOE of Spell hits the entire screen of the frame because that's what you have to play on, you don't know it's limits. And there for, it's justified as thus.
You keep putting game mechanics and game play restrictions on Link, but Sephiroth can do w/e he want simply by your own translation of him from things like AC and so forth? That's biased and hypocritical. I'm sorry but Bot would affect Sephiroth, it's range is not measurable and restrictions of game frame screen doens't apply, and Jenova isn't apart of a Bots genetic, physical, astral, etc. make up or build. So he can't use it to Transform back.
Once again, yeah I'm pretty much done. Because honestly I read over Sephiroth and this beats him pretty coldly. And now you're going to complain that it is an instant win over powered move and should be banned, but it isn't since I'm sure it wouldn't work on other game characters. Just because it works on Sephiroth, doesn't make it broken and it's legal. Can I sleep at night knowing this? Sure, I'd sleep either way.
Legend of Zelda 2: Adventure of Link. Canon Link. Spell; "Spell"
Sephiroth is now a bot.
He is capable of only doing what a bot can do.
Link has defeated Sephiroth.
peace.
The spell doesnt work on everyone, and I said obviously it wouldn't work on someone like Ganon or Zant, unless you actually think it would. Spell spell doesn't work on ALL enemies.
You cannot assume it has far range if it has never been shown capable of doing so. I have never taken anything out of Sephiroths gameplay at all. Everything i take from Sephiroth is real canon stuff, not gameplay shit, I'm only allowing you to because that's all Link has, gameplay abilities. His actual canon feats that he has done in the story, aren't impressive at all. Take away his accessories that he finds and Link is not much different from your average joe with lots of courage.
The reason I don't use gameplay because it's almost always inaccurate. It's even stated that Link must remember a magical word, so if he has to say shit, then its not instant. Sephiroth teleports away and summons the NL. GG
Sephiroths teleports away, NL ftw.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lol, he ignored the part where Link won the thread and kept posting..? NL and TK both = moot, Link throws a stone at Seph, it becomes a comet and tears Seph up. -OoTLink casts Spell, Seph is now a bot. -AoL
NL, and TK are not moot, unless you have some real evidence as to why it wouldn't affect Link, then TK and NL will work. It doesn't matter if Link isn't from the FFverse, just as Sephiroth not being from the LoZverse but attack would still affect him too. Because they fight on neutral grounds.
Sephiroth instantly teleports away, NL disintegrates Link.
Battles take place on neutral grounds where both their powers apply. Just as starwars force still applies. The NL is Sephiroth's creation, his own power/weapon, of course he can use it.
Except the NL would disintegrate Link, sorry but Link isn't invulnerable, he gets damaged by far far less, that's common knowledge for any person who is familiar with LoZ. Sorry but you have to accept the truth.
Proof Link is warded from it's effects? None? K.
Sephiroth wins.
Link uses "spell" (I'll post how fast thoughts travel later)
Sephiroth is now a Bot.
He is only capable of doing what a Bot can. No Jenova cells are part of its genetic make up and body, so no transforming for him.
Seph-Bot makes a sad face, some where between P & R, twice.
Link steps on him/sword plants.
you can't be a hypocrite and restrict the AOE to game frame and game play/mechanics. Or that's like agreeing that Sephiroth has to wait a turn to attack, see? Thank you.
Teleporting away in enough radius to see or know where Link is at in order to even direct the NL, would leave him in enough range to be turned into a bot if you want to be fair? okay, cool thank you.
Sephiroth is a bot.
You'll just keep pulling at threads to get out of this and looking for minor meaningless details that don't win your argument and you have no proof other wise. I'm sorry, but game, set, match. Link is the victor.
Lets just let Link die now, kk? we'll discuss that Cloud and Isaac thread. You can talk to me for about 5 pages of posts on how Omnislash V5 is magically not on a physical plane of existence. Sounds like fun.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Plotdeviceswordstopsthatcrap=win.Seph can't possibly win this, he has no way to hurt Link, he just "teleports away" that's called "running."
Edit: your next post had better have some proof in it 😆 my hangover just kicked in, I'm for bed,.
No, its called tactics. Is dodging attacks considered "running" too? Sephiroth teleports up far up in the air, gestures the NL to crush Link.
Proof of what? You're the one who needs to provide proof. Prove NL/TK would have no effect on Link plz.
First of all, spell doesn't work on everyone.
Second of all, there's nothing to suggest the range of it is far, the only thing we can see is that it can only effect enemies in the close area.
I'm not restricting to "gameplay" if you can PROVE to me, or give anything that even suggests that it works at long range, THEN you have something. If not, you cannot baselessly claim that it has infinite range.
No, because Sephiroth wouldn't need to know exactly where Link is, with a gesture the NL covered the skies of MIDGAR. Do you know how big Midgar is? Midgar is a metropolis city bigger then any city on earth, Midgar is clearly viewable from outer space. Link is doomed.
So either prove Links spell spell has infinite range or conceed, if you're next post is some more BS without proof, then ill take it as a concession.
Yeah if there are no Jenova cells Sephiroth can't reform, that is why when his whole body gets disintergrated he calls the other cells to come to him and takes over certain people and controls them etc. Although before this he sifted through the knowledge of everyone who had gone back into the lifestream. (died). (So we don't know if he needed four years or if he felt like learning everything there was to know on that planet before he wanted to start regenning, we do know he can call to other Jenova cells and even shapeshift them)
That Link held up a heavy stone isn't a Durability feat it is a Strength feat, if he were to throw it at himself at that speed it would probably kill him unless you show something that states opposite. Just because you can lift a rock and throw it, doesn't mean it can't kill you if someone throws it at your head.
Why do you claim the Negative Lifestream does nothing to Link? Is he Immune to negative or dark pure life energy?
As far as I know Sephiroth is Immune to transformation magic. Also I had a look at the spell in the youtube link, it doesn't affect everywhere, it does have a limit otherwise every enemy on the level would be turned into one of those things.
I want you to lift a rock, then get a combat knife that wieghs about the same and plunge it into your skin, if you don't bleed then your theory stands otherwise it is his muscles whithstanding the weight of the granite majigoo. (i.e It doesn't squish him because his muscles hold back the weight, if a corner were to land on one of his hands it would squish his hands yes?)
Not sure why this is so hard for people to understand:
Infinite m / s > 299 792 458 m / s.
None of you have obviously ever used a whip, go crack a whip and aim it 5 metres to the right of a log then as it is going to crack change the direction so that it hits the log, go ahead I dare you to try it. It is literally physically impossible to do, it already has its momentum, if you tried to move it you would not get any crack and no breaking the sound barrier and it would just flop down and maybe hurt your arm.
Shoot a gun to hit a can at the same time someone attempts to whip it, the bullet will beat the tip of the whip.
Of course, he doesn't realize the speed of a bullet is instantaneous as soon as you pull the trigger, whereas with a whip you have to whip it, and wait for the momentum to build from the hand and through the whip.
And yeah, now that i recall, Sephiroth is actually immune to those effects. That's why the transform materia doesn't work on him, or silence, poision, etc.
No one here has read the Link respect thread. o_o
..Or understand physics. For every action there is an equal reaction, this is basic fact. For Link to throw that, it pushed back on him with just as much force. This shows durability as much as strength.
Terry has another problem, the speed of a bullet isn't "instantaneous" it's closer to say "300-400 m/s" for most and 1000 m/s for the heavier vehicle mounted weapons. And he still doesn't understand whips.
Check the Link respect thread, even if the NL could affect Link, it can't, he can deflect it 😆 TK? Ganon's got some epic TK, that Link's plot device sword immunises him to.. Well played sir, GG.
If all Sephiroth can do, is teleport away, he has nothing. Super Nova? You mean that silly gameplay spell that makes an explosion and is super poorly named? =P
I have no reason to concede, read my posts, I've brought in proof, scientific logic, you've spewed on about TK and the NL and denied, denied, denied, with no evidence on your side, you've wasted my time with persistant "no u"'s and if your next post still lacks any substance and just assumed I concede, or hell if it even goes so far as to suggest Link could possibly lose, I'll ignore it entirely unless you pull something out of your ass to suggest it's actually possible. Which you won't. I've been civil, but you get on my nerves with your "I'll assuem you concede" business when your posts have NO SUBSTANCE. That's like asking someone to fight you, then waking up an hour after they knocked your ass out to see they've left, and saying "..Yeah.. run away!".
You lose, you get nothing,
good
day sir!
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Originally posted by Ultimate Wilsupernova is a poor gameplay display and an illusion. like peach said link is the grandfather of all adventure heroes.
No one cares about little Link who is a skidmark on game history, fact, you lose, hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Supernova, the end.Yes good day.