Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
You severely underestimate Link.
How? Link has never fought anyone at the power or speed of Sephiroth. Fierce Deity Link isn't any better; he's pretty much Cloud in slow motion and without any Omnislash.
Maybe I missed a Zelda game or two where he's more powerful than what I've seen in Ocarina of Time or Twilight Princess.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's one hundred percent Canon, you need to do it to beat the game. There were no boots involved, Link simply cracked his knuckles and throw the stone over his shoulder. Seph has no chance against Link, tbh, this is spite against Seph.. Here's why!Alright, the first thing you should know, is I do alot of down-rounding in these numbers specificly so that if I screw up, I err on the pesimistic side, thus these are not exagerated fanboy numbers, at all.
Alright, we'll begin with the granite rock. [Mathed as white granite, lighter than black.]
Let me be clear, this is me being VERY conservative and working with rounded numbers. [rounded DOWN to the nearest million in the case of mass in pounds.]
If the stone Link threw in the original feat moved approx 225 metres [nice down rounded estimate] horizontally [I'm not bothering to math the high arc, screw that. If I -did- I'd get an even larger number, so this is more down-rounding.]
and 2 million pounds is 907184.739 kilos, and it was in the air approx 3 seconds, [thus moving at an easily mathed 75 m/s]
K=1/2mv^2
M= 907184.73999
V= 75this means K [kinetic energy] = 2551457081.25 joule.
^Link is capable of generating an extremely high level of joulage with his muscles, and that is not his peak possible throw, but as his best feat, we round it down to be on the safe side.
Now that we know how much energy he can produce, roughly, we can apply that energy to a simple equasion for throwing somethign of the same density as the granite.
Now, just for purposes of being conservative, rather than put in the realisitc weight of something like his sheild, we'll put in.. 100 lbs? K. Watch.
K = 2551457081.25 joules
m = 100 pounds = 45.359237 kilogramsThus:
velocity (v) = 10606.6017178 meter/second
velocity (v) = 3818376618.52 centimeter/hour
velocity (v) = 1060660.17178 centimeter/second
velocity (v) = 3006595762.52 foot/day
velocity (v) = 34798.5620663 foot/second
velocity (v) = 1503297881.26 inch/hour
velocity (v) = 417582.744795 inch/second
velocity (v) = 10.6066017178 kilometer/second
velocity (v) = 20617.5843505 knot
velocity (v) = 31.1683858883 mach sea level 15 C
velocity (v) = 916410388.416 meter/day
velocity (v) = 23726.2923179 mile/hour
velocity (v) = 6.59063675498 mile/second
velocity (v) = 10606601.7178 millimeter/second
velocity (v) = 3.53798150513E-05 speed of light in vacuum
velocity (v) = 11599.5206888 yard/second
That's ScreamPaste's math on Link lifting a huge pillar in Ocarina of Time.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
That's ScreamPaste's math on Link lifting a huge pillar in Ocarina of Time.
I'm fully aware that Link lifted a tower-sized rock but what will that matter if he can't even touch Sephiroth. And I know that Link has Nayru's Love that seems impenetrable but it's temporary (according to game mechanics at least).
I think I'll go look for Link's feats to see if there's something I don't know.
Alright, I've looked at the feats.
One of them says that Link survived an explosion but the moon only disintegrated in a burst of light. Majora was obviously involved with the moon and it was his creation via magic or something like that so there's it's easy to see why the moon faded away after his death. The only feat there is the possibility that Link dropped from the sky.
Though, I see some evidence where Link has better agility than I previously thought. Because of that, I take back what I said about Link being not being at the level of Cloud. But that will be a tough fight for the Hyrulian hero.
I think Ganondorf would do better against Sephiroth since he's proven to have incredible power which gets dumbed down due to plot devices, game mechanics, and the old cliche, "evil always loses".
That wasn't a moon Majora created, it's stated by Nintendo to be THE moon, and it was destroyed, it didn't simply fade away, we just don't know exactly what happened.
Link throws his sheild at Seph, who explodes, and then touches him with the master sword, killing him, imho. There's nothing Seph can do to counter it.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That wasn't a moon Majora created, it's stated by Nintendo to be THE moon, and it was destroyed, it didn't simply fade away, we just don't know exactly what happened.Link throws his sheild at Seph, who explodes, and then touches him with the master sword, killing him, imho. There's nothing Seph can do to counter it.
It did simply fade away, the light went around the moon and it drifted away ever so softly.
No, how does him exploding even change anything? Counter what? What about the fact he can move planets and survive colliding into planets.
= /
Link would never be able to hit Sephiroth with a sword...
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That wasn't a moon Majora created, it's stated by Nintendo to be THE moon, and it was destroyed, it didn't simply fade away, we just don't know exactly what happened.Link throws his sheild at Seph, who explodes, and then touches him with the master sword, killing him, imho. There's nothing Seph can do to counter it.
Well if it's an actual celestial body than the light must've been deadly. But according to the Zelda wiki, Link and Tatl were taken away from the moon before the destruction. If Link could survive that than Tatl must be pretty powerful herself.
I hope that last part was a joke. How is Link going to hit Sephiroth? He's not just some sitting duck and slaughtered a dragon and a Midgar Zolom (which are 30ft long cobras) without much effort. AFAIK, Link's shield is barely an offensive weapon.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Well if it's an actual celestial body than the light must've been deadly. But according to the Zelda wiki, Link and Tatl were taken away from the moon before the destruction. If Link could survive that than Tatl must be pretty powerful herself.I hope that last part was a joke. How is Link going to hit Sephiroth? He's not just some sitting duck and slaughtered a dragon and a Midgar Zolom (which are 30ft long cobras) without much effort. AFAIK, Link's shield is barely an offensive weapon.
He is using the granite rock feat as a basis that he can throw a shield with incredible speed ~10 km\ps+.
Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]Just wanted to be sure. Those calculations are annoyingly well thought-out mmm [/B]
However I am sure if I thought out the calculations for moving a Planet at least 8000 m\ps it would be much higher.
Then if I thought out the calculation for moving at least 8000 m\ps when impacting into a planet it would be much higher.
Originally posted by C. C. Cowgirl!
[b]Sure. From where did you pick up these numbers? And how did he find footing to push the planet? [/B]
Well, for a meteorite to even create a 1,200 metre diameter and 170 metres deep crater (being 50 metres long) it needs around 12.5 km\ps of speed. Since we don't know the size of the meteorite once it impacted (Seeing as it had been shaken from being removed from orbit \ space debris hitting it \ atmosphere entry) I assumed it was still a lot bigger then 50 metres and probably wouldn't require as much speed to create the same crater (I am rounding down the numbers A LOT mostly because it punctured through to the core and didn't create a measly crater.)
I am not sure what you mean, how could one use footing to move a planet?
Originally posted by ScreamPasteconsidering the fact that he can be defeated by hacking. plus lets see him do in constant.
K, so I figured it out, he's referring to Jenova landing on the planet on a meteorite. That's not a durability feat for Sephiroth, for one, and microscopic organisms survive re-entry all the time. Sephiroth's not a microscopic organism, and from what I can see, his physical body is easy to break.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
K, so I figured it out, he's referring to Jenova landing on the planet on a meteorite. That's not a durability feat for Sephiroth, for one, and microscopic organisms survive re-entry all the time. Sephiroth's not a microscopic organism, and from what I can see, his physical body is easy to break.
What the? I told you I was referring to Jenova.
Sephiroth IS Jenova, it is a durability feat for the body he uses and the powers he has control of. Sephiroth took over Jenovas body, because Jenova was just instincts.
Again: Sephiroth IS Jenova.
Jenova isn't microscopic.
At what point has Jenovas body(His physical body) been easy to break?
Originally posted by Phanteros
considering the fact that he can be defeated by hacking. plus lets see him do in constant.
The only time he has been hurt by simple hacking is pre-nib Seph. And he was impaled through the chest\stomach area and he was still walking around.