Colossus wins every time but not as easily as some would think.
Give him his Adamantine axe and smart head on his shoulders, and Ares is certainly strong enough, skilled enough etc. to win. Unfortunately Ares who is the God of War is a dumb strategist as he goes in screaming of the top of his lungs against opponents who have the clear physical advantage.
Even in a fist fight, he would simply charge at Colossus, and all he would get is a right hook from the Russian. Ares is a 70 toner, has an impressive enough healing factor, and is durable to blunt force but as we have seen he can be knocked out, and if he ran at Colossus fists swinging, that's all that would happen.
That's probably the best argument that could be made for Ares, but it still doesn't change the fact that physically Colossus does out class him and Ares is known for charging in head first, and that in my opinion would result in him being knocked out.
Hercules' greatest testament to power in my opinion is that he can stalemate Thor, but outside of their own personal fights, he does much worse than Thor against almost all opponents.
Hulk has taken on Hercules plus other numerous Avengers while Thor on his own has been shown the ability to stalemate Hulk for as long as they fight.
Thor has kicked his Ares' even when he was three times as strong if I recall.
In my opinion either Hercules is toned down a lot or Thor is toned down against Hercules a lot. I mean Marvel needs to show the dude more respect. Wonder Woman kicked his ass in the crossover. I personally thought it was a dumb fight as Hercules has held up the heavens etc. and can do so much better in fights but whatever.
Either way, I see Colossus winning this fight with Ares. Ares would go down fighting but he would still go down.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusActually Hercules has stalemated Hulk before on more than one occasion.
That's probably the best argument that could be made for Ares, but it still doesn't change the fact that physically Colossus does out class him and Ares is known for charging in head first, and that in my opinion would result in him being knocked out.Hercules' greatest testament to power in my opinion is that he can stalemate Thor, but outside of their own personal fights, he does much worse than Thor against almost all opponents.
Hulk has taken on Hercules plus other numerous Avengers while Thor on his own has been shown the ability to stalemate Hulk for as long as they fight.
Thor has kicked his Ares' even when he was three times as strong if I recall.
In my opinion either Hercules is toned down a lot or Thor is toned down against Hercules a lot. I mean Marvel needs to show the dude more respect. Wonder Woman kicked his ass in the crossover. I personally thought it was a dumb fight as Hercules has held up the heavens etc. and can do so much better in fights but whatever.
Either way, I see Colossus winning this fight with Ares. Ares would go down fighting but he would still go down.
He has been able to stalemate him in comics before for example in "Titan's Clash" etc. but like I said, Hulk has been able to swing him around rather badly as I recall even with other beings to help.
I don't remember the other issue where he held his own, but I believe he has another time if not more but as I said, either Hercules jobs a lot, or Thor jobs a lot to Hercules.
It has to be one of the two, as they can't be equal based on their results against different opponents in my opinion.
He stalemated Hulk straight up once when he was traveling on a train and Hulk saw it as a threat.
Not to mention often when Herc gets "tossed" around by Hulk it often has to deal with Herc holding back because they only want to subdue the Hulk not hurt him.
But in their one on ones they are generally fairly even.
Originally posted by Newjak
He stalemated Hulk straight up once when he was traveling on a train and Hulk saw it as a threat.Not to mention often when Herc gets "tossed" around by Hulk it often has to deal with Herc holding back because they only want to subdue the Hulk not hurt him.
But in their one on ones they are generally fairly even.
Oh I remember that fight. I said there was one more.
Either way, compared to Thor, Hercules has done pretty badly against Hulk. Not that he can't hold his own for a while, but I have seen Hulk knock Hercules around more than I have seen Hercules hold his own.
Like I said Ares is another good example. He has been able to hold his own against Hercules rather well in the past, but he is not that impressive physically in terms of strength or at least a good deal of the time.
Going off his higher end showings though, I could see Ares being superior to Colossus, as he has been able to go blow for blow with Hercules (Thor on the other hand kicked Ares' ass even when he was three times as strong.).
A showing does suggest that Ares is superior to Colossus but most show the opposite.
Honestly, this entire mess gives me a headache.
In the end, on average, I see Colossus winning this fight.
Originally posted by SuperiorTechOdd thing that even I didn't realize at first... is that Thor actually hits Hulk with his fists more than he ever has hit him with Mjolnir.
I would imagine that thor hitting Hulk with his hammer would have a more devastating effect than herc hitting him with his fist.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I would imagine that thor hitting Hulk with his hammer would have a more devastating effect than herc hitting him with his fist.
Thor has hit Hulk with his fists much more than he has hit Hulk with Mjolnir.
In almost all his fights with the Hulk, he puts away Mjolnir and goes hand to hand if I recall.
Thor has done so much better than Hercules against a number of opponents. Hulk is a good example.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor has hit Hulk with his fists much more than he has hit Hulk with Mjolnir.In almost all his fights with the Hulk, he puts away Mjolnir and goes hand to hand if I recall.
Thor has done so much better than Hercules against a number of opponents. Hulk is a good example.
I don't know about that I have seen Thor hit hulk with Mjolnir pretty damn hard.
I am gonna have to flatout disagree with you here Thor does put his hammer away in some of his fight with hulk.Usually at hulk taunting that he is the strongest there is or that Thor needs the hammer to fight him.Even if he does use his fist just as much as the hammer it's usually in his hands in most of their confrontations you also have to take into consideration that Thor uses the hammer in a defensive manner as well to block punches from hulk.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
I don't know about that I have seen Thor hit hulk with Mjolnir pretty damn hard.I am gonna have to flatout disagree with you here Thor does put his hammer away in some of his fight with hulk.Usually at hulk taunting that he is the strongest there is or that Thor needs the hammer to fight him.Even if he does use his fist just as much as the hammer it's usually in his hands in most of their confrontations you also have to take into consideration that Thor uses the hammer in a defensive manner as well to block punches from hulk.
Thor has used his hammer less than he has used his fists on the Hulk, and he has been able to take any blow Hulk has given to him and keep on coming. He has been able to take much more than most.
Even when he fights the Hulk with Mjolnir, he has taken practically all his blows to the face. He has barely ever used Mjolnir to defend himself from what I recall. Maybe one blow. When Mjolnir does meet Hulk's fist directly all that happens is that Hulk ends up with a hurt hand like in "Hulk Annual 2001".
In the majority of their prolonged fights, Mjolnir is absent.
Nearly every single time, Thor uses Mjolnir to hit Hulk, the end result is Hulk being knocked back, down, around, and even out when Mjolnir is in Thor's hand. No matter what the incarnation is. Professor Hulk, Savage Hulk etc.
Banner less Hulk did the best against Mjolnir but even he was sent flying.
I have read every one of their fights, and Thor barely ever uses Mjolnir against Hulk directly, he might have it out, but there is usually more dialogue than anything where Thor gets hit by surprised, he goes down, and he gets right back up, and when he does, the fight is either interrupted, inconclusive, or he ends up using his fists.
Most of their fights when he uses Mjolnir is only a few pages tops, and even then he uses only one or so blows if I recall and almost all of them have Hulk going down.
There is mostly a reason for Mjolnir to be absent in the prolonged fights.
When he does use Mjolnir, it results in Hulk being thrown around, or being knocked out.
In that same issue Hulk resorts to holding a woman hostage and Thor gets rid of Mjolnir for the entire fight and goes toe to toe with the Hulk.
Either way, this thread is about Ares and Colossus.