Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor has used his hammer less than he has used his fists on the Hulk, and he has been able to take any blow Hulk has given to him and keep on coming. He has been able to take much more than most.Even when he fights the Hulk with Mjolnir, he has taken practically all his blows to the face. He has barely ever used Mjolnir to defend himself from what I recall. Maybe one blow. When Mjolnir does meet Hulk's fist directly all that happens is that Hulk ends up with a hurt hand like in "Hulk Annual 2001".
In the majority of their prolonged fights, Mjolnir is absent.
Nearly every single time, Thor uses Mjolnir to hit Hulk, the end result is Hulk being knocked back, down, around, and even out when Mjolnir is in Thor's hand. No matter what the incarnation is. Professor Hulk, Savage Hulk etc.
Banner less Hulk did the best against Mjolnir but even he was sent flying.
I have read every one of their fights, and Thor barely ever uses Mjolnir against Hulk directly, he might have it out, but there is usually more dialogue than anything where Thor gets hit by surprised, he goes down, and he gets right back up, and when he does, the fight is either interrupted, inconclusive, or he ends up using his fists.
Most of their fights when he uses Mjolnir is only a few pages tops, and even then he uses only one or so blows if I recall and almost all of them have Hulk going down.
There is mostly a reason for Mjolnir to be absent in the prolonged fights.
When he does use Mjolnir, it results in Hulk being thrown around, or being knocked out.
In that same issue Hulk resorts to holding a woman hostage and Thor gets rid of Mjolnir for the entire fight and goes toe to toe with the Hulk.
Either way, this thread is about Ares and Colossus.
Look the only thing we are gonna agree on is not to derail this thread anymore as it is about Ares and Collossus.I'll restate my initial point which is that Hercules and Thor are pretty much IMO peers in strength and Thor using Mjolnir to hit hulk is gonna have a greater effect that Herc using his fist.
Originally posted by SuperiorTech
Look the only thing we are gonna agree on is not to derail this thread anymore as it is about Ares and Collossus.I'll restate my initial point which is that Hercules and Thor are pretty much IMO peers in strength and Thor using Mjolnir to hit hulk is gonna have a greater effect that Herc using his fist.
Ok, we shouldn't derail this thread.
Of course Thor hitting Hulk with Mjolnir is going to have much more effect than Hercules with his fists, but the fact is, Thor uses his fists more than he uses his hammer.
Seriously, what happened to Hercules.
He was stalemated by Ares very recently, and from what I recall, isn't even immune to a few highly flammable tanks exploding.
The skin was literally seared from his flesh if I recall, from such a minor explosion and Ares was able to stalemate him hand to hand.
Beings like Namor have fought him rather well, while Thor has one shotted Namor.
Like I said, feat wise, and outside of their own fights, Thor seems to be significantly above Hercules, more so know. When they were in their own personal little scuffles though, they seemed equal enough.
I still say that either Thor completely jobs to Hercules, or Hercules completely jobs to almost everyone.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusAres didn't stalemate a healthy Herc, I believe he was weakened from the Hydra Blood Ares shot him with.
Ok, we shouldn't derail this thread.Of course Thor hitting Hulk with Mjolnir is going to have much more effect than Hercules with his fists, but the fact is, Thor uses his fists more than he uses his hammer.
Seriously, what happened to Hercules.
He was stalemated by Ares very recently, and from what I recall, isn't even immune to a few highly flammable tanks exploding.
The skin was literally seared from his flesh if I recall, from such a minor explosion and Ares was able to stalemate him hand to hand.
Beings like Namor have fought him rather well, while Thor has one shotted Namor.
Like I said, feat wise, and outside of their own fights, Thor seems to be significantly above Hercules, more so know. When they were in their own personal little scuffles though, they seemed equal enough.
I still say that either Thor completely jobs to Hercules, or Hercules completely jobs to almost everyone.
Context.
Feat wise in regards to strength, Herc has held up the Earth.
Originally posted by Mindset
Ares didn't stalemate a healthy Herc, I believe he was weakened from the Hydra Blood Ares shot him with.Context.
Feat wise in regards to strength, Herc has held up the Earth.
Wasn't it the heavens?
I said it is a possibility that Hercules jobs a lot as I said.
From what I recall, the Hydra Blood is a poison that causes immense pain to Gods, but after the initial attack from Ares I don't think it weakened him physically as I don't recall that being mentioned. I remember he knocked Ares into the next county with one punch, and beat the crap out of Wonder Man.
Ares came back and stalemated him etc.
It did make him delusional though.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusSome comics say heavens, some say Earth.
Wasn't it the heavens?I said it is a possibility that Hercules jobs a lot as I said.
From what I recall, the Hydra Blood is a poison that causes immense pain to Gods, but after the initial attack from Ares I don't think it weakened him physically as I don't recall that being mentioned. I remember he knocked Ares into the next county with one punch, and beat the crap out of Wonder Man.
Ares came back and stalemated him etc.
It did make him delusional though.
The Hyrda Blood is meant to kill Gods, if I'm not mistaken.
After the initial rage Herc was weakened, iirc.
Originally posted by Mindset
Some comics say heavens, some say Earth.The Hyrda Blood is meant to kill Gods, if I'm not mistaken.
After the initial rage Herc was weakened, iirc.
It's poison to them.
It caused Hercules pain and made him delusional but it never said he was weakened.
Hence why, I said Hercules either jobs a great deal or Thor jobs to Hercules every time they meet.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusPoisons aren't meant to kill?
It's poison to them.It caused Hercules pain and made him delusional but it never said he was weakened.
Hence why, I said Hercules either jobs a great deal or Thor jobs to Hercules every time they meet.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Hercules_113_0011.jpg
The deadliest poison known to gods isn't...deadly? 😱
Originally posted by Mindset
Poisons aren't meant to kill?http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Hercules_113_0011.jpg
The deadliest poison known to gods isn't...deadly? 😱
Poisons are meant to be deadly, but this is Hercules, the strongest of their gods.
He clearly said that it was causing him immense pain. That's what it was doing. It was causing him a great deal of pain and making him delusional because of it.
Oh crap, I just remembered.
Ares fought him "after" the poison was burned out of his system completely.
So the entire Hydra Blood thing is pointless now as Ares fought him and Hercules was not contaminated with the Hydra Blood.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusYea, so the poison was meant to kill Gods, like I said.
Poisons are meant to be deadly, but this is Hercules, the strongest of their gods.He clearly said that it was causing him immense pain. That's what it was doing. It was causing him a great deal of pain and making him delusional because of it.
Oh crap, I just remembered.
Ares fought him "after" the poison was burned out of his system completely.
So the entire Hydra Blood thing is pointless now as Ares fought him and Hercules was not contaminated with the Hydra Blood.
So after the poison was burned out of his system he was back at 100%, not likely. The Hydra Blood isn't pointless.
Originally posted by Mindset
Yea, so the poison was meant to kill Gods, like I said.So after the poison was burned out of his system he was back at 100%, not likely. The Hydra Blood isn't pointless.
It was meant to be deadly to the Gods, but as Hercules clearly stated it was causing him immense pain, but it wasn't killing him.
He was able to kick Wonder Man's ass etc. so he wasn't weakened, and the poison wasn't in his systems for long to have any lasting weakening affects. After it was burned out and by the time Ares attacked him, he seemed to be healed.
He should have been back at a hundred percent, as he didn't seem to be weakened, and it wasn't weakening him in the first place.
So I doubt it had any lasting affects that weakened him significantly in any certain way.
His wounds were healed and he didn't seem to have any problems by the time Ares attacked him.
If he wasn't at a 100 percent, lets say for arguments sake, he was as close as you can get.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I believe this was it.It was "Invaders #33" or around there. I haven't read it in a while so I don't remember the exact issue.
Last i heard, a one shot was to ko someone. Namor wasnt ko'd. Thor knocked him down then flew off. Thor even mentions finishing the fight at another time as Namor looked at him fly away.😬
