So then show me what Ganon can "dish out" ?
These are some of Chaos powers
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Chaos quaking the entire planet with a single blow(0:55 - 1:45)
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Chaos scuffle with Weiss(0:15 to 1:00)
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Show me some Ganon video please.
The video of him destroying Omega and making the planet "quake," which canonically did nothing to the planet, is due to Omega exploding.
And Ganon is physically stronger than OoT Link, who threw a gigantic piece of Black Granite like it was a basketball.
Vincent has no defense against Twilight Magic, at all. He will not stop himself from being rendered into a bodiless nothing.
In terms of durability, without the triforce Ganon survives a blade through the head without his piece of the triforce, brings down an entire castle on himself by yelling at it while (sort of) near death and takes no damage, and tanks multiple hits from any version of Link who as far as I can tell could probably one shot Vincent based on raw strength.
In terms of raw physical strength Ganon is even stronger than Link, and can literally strike stone hard enoguh it disintegrates from his raw power, with a blade.
Ganon can TK vincent, seal him between dimensions, or possess him.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
The video of him destroying Omega and making the planet "quake," which canonically did nothing to the planet, is due to Omega exploding.And Ganon is physically stronger than OoT Link, who threw a gigantic piece of Black Granite like it was a basketball.
No, why would Omega explode? He's not a machine, he's a creature.
Link didn't throw any black granite and where does it state Ganon is physically stronger then him anyway.
Vincent has no defense against Twilight Magic, at all. He will not stop himself from being rendered into a bodiless nothing. [/B]
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
The video of him destroying Omega and making the planet "quake," which canonically did nothing to the planet, is due to Omega exploding.
It's not even that much, TGE. I already saw this happen in the Trance Kuja vs Link & Dante thread. It's a cinematic effect.
If the planet had truly quaked, basic physics would tell you that the surface of the world would have been forced into a ripple effect, because a planet's surface is solid only for a few miles deep, and a strike of that magnitude would send the crust of the planet off like when you punch a water bed.
That "quake" you saw was simply the cinematographer's fancy way of making the attack seem more powerful than it actually was.
Originally posted by Terryc2501. And did not harm anyone in Midgar, who were at Ground Zero.
It didn't destroy the planet, but it did quake it and sent ripples down the entire planetNo, why would Omega explode? He's not a machine, he's a creature.
Link didn't throw any black granite and where does it state Ganon is physically stronger then him anyway.
From what I heard, Zant can only do it at a specific spot, and not anytime, whenever, wherever he wants.
2. Because a giant hole was ripped through it and Omega's entire purpose is transporting energy and ripping a hole in it could cause a chemical reaction that would blow it up?
3. Yeah, he did, that stone was clearly black granite. Ganon is physically stronger than every incarnation of Link with the exception of TP Link who is his equal.
4. Bullshit.
You say Ganondorf can have his Triforce of Power but can not be invulnerable or immortal, which are actually two traits he has because of the Triforce of Power. So it's sort of a contradiction.
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@ 00:00-1:50 and 5:16-End
Ganondorf is able to take the force and weight of an entire crumbling castle on his already 'weakened' state, summon flames and take 3 direct slashes to his face and a lunge, I assume penetrated his skull, from a the very sword that is his bane at its powered up state. And they didn't even kill him, they had to banish him to another dimension.
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This shows Ganondorf is able to disintegrate an entire being. Not to mention that he can take a weapon that is conjured out of the might of the sages, pull it out of himself, living, breathing, while that part of his body will for ever be banished out of existence. Unable to regenerate or even bleed from it, since that is what happens when matter or atoms and particles are taken out of the normal plane and brought to another dimension, he can't recover or even get a scar from that wound. He goes through out the rest of the game with it, unphased.
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Ganondorf shows that he can become nothing more then pure, raw energy in the form of a sentient being that transcends the physical plane of existence. This scene also proves again as in from the Forest Temple boss in OoT that Ganondorf seems to have a knowledge of necromancy. In that he can summon spirits to fight under his cause, not to mention his raw power to bring down the entire (much larger) Hyrule Castle and also being able to conjur a steed to himself as well. And as for the form and power that Midna herself exerted is a magic that the Gods even banished from the grasp of anyone in the world of Hyrule, they deemed it to powerful and even with that, Ganondorf was able to trounce it.
Fused Shadow Video It talks about it in that clip.
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this shows that Ganondorf also later has the ability to trap off and bring the power of the Twilight realm under his control at will. So he could merely trap Vincent in to something of this effect, seeing as Vincent does not have the Master Sword to ward off additional magintude from Ganondorf's abilities. Ganondorf can also posess people who are not protected by greater magics that cut off his own, e.g. Puppet Zelda with out her Triforce of Wisdom in TP.
Terry, we already had the argument over the rock type it pretty much has to be black granite, lol.
And I don't think TP Link is stronger than Ganondorf, tbh, at that point he'd already done three rounds of combat with Link and one of the master sword's confirmed effcts is that it cancels out his power, which is the only reason he even goes enert at the end. Naturally Link could over power him by then. I also happen to think OoT Link is stronger than TP Link though.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. And did not harm anyone in Midgar, who were at Ground Zero.2. Because a giant hole was ripped through it and Omega's entire purpose is transporting energy and ripping a hole in it could cause a chemical reaction that would blow it up?
3. Yeah, he did, that stone was clearly black granite. Ganon is physically stronger than every incarnation of Link with the exception of TP Link who is his equal.
4. Bullshit.
1) We don't even know what damage it could've caused because the game ends right there
Either way if Omega couldn't take it, Ganon wouldn't take it either.
2) No.. it's not fuel, gas or even really energy, Omega's purpose was to transport the Lifestream, and he was just made up of lifestream. Take Bahamut Sin for example, when he got cut through he just faded and dissapeared, he didn't blow up.
3) No, that wasn't black granite, it was never stated as black granite, the only way it resembles black granite is if you zoom up to black granite with a microscope, if you view black granite from a distance it looks nothing like that.
4) Then show me Zant doing that outside of the Twilight Realm..
Originally posted by Voyeur
You say Ganondorf can have his Triforce of Power but can not be invulnerable or immortal, which are actually two traits he has because of the Triforce of Power. So it's sort of a contradiction.YouTube video
@ 00:00-1:50 and 5:16-End
Ganondorf is able to take the force and weight of an entire crumbling castle on his already 'weakened' state, summon flames and take 3 direct slashes to his face and a lunge, I assume penetrated his skull, from a the very sword that is his bane at its powered up state. And they didn't even kill him, they had to banish him to another dimension.YouTube video
This shows Ganondorf is able to disintegrate an entire being. Not to mention that he can take a weapon that is conjured out of the might of the sages, pull it out of himself, living, breathing, while that part of his body will for ever be banished out of existence. Unable to regenerate or even bleed from it, since that is what happens when matter or atoms and particles are taken out of the normal plane and brought to another dimension, he can't recover or even get a scar from that wound. He goes through out the rest of the game with it, unphased.YouTube video
Ganondorf shows that he can become nothing more then pure, raw energy in the form of a sentient being that transcends the physical plane of existence. This scene also proves again as in from the Forest Temple boss in OoT that Ganondorf seems to have a knowledge of necromancy. In that he can summon spirits to fight under his cause, not to mention his raw power to bring down the entire (much larger) Hyrule Castle and also being able to conjur a steed to himself as well. And as for the form and power that Midna herself exerted is a magic that the Gods even banished from the grasp of anyone in the world of Hyrule, they deemed it to powerful and even with that, Ganondorf was able to trounce it.
Fused Shadow Video It talks about it in that clip.YouTube video
this shows that Ganondorf also later has the ability to trap off and bring the power of the Twilight realm under his control at will. So he could merely trap Vincent in to something of this effect, seeing as Vincent does not have the Master Sword to ward off additional magintude from Ganondorf's abilities. Ganondorf can also posess people who are not protected by greater magics that cut off his own, e.g. Puppet Zelda with out her Triforce of Wisdom in TP.
He survived the top of his castle falling on him, Vincent can dish out faaar more power then that.
He didn't disintegrate anything even close to Vincents level or even a human being, for all we know when those things die, they fade out. Vincent can deal out faar more damage then just being stabbed.
I'm not going to watch all of those videos unless you give me a time frame.
Originally posted by Terryc250
A cinematic effect? Uhh, those ripples are real.
Admittedly, I got a little snarky there, so I'll stop. My argument still stands, though, and I still believe the shaking camera was a simple cinematic effect. Or who knows, maybe the shaking camera was from a shock wave of Omega's defeat? Though that would have be one fast as hell wave.
Originally posted by Terryc250
Nor do we even know what happened to the planet afterwards because thats the end of the game.
Originally posted by Terryc250
It took out Omega WEAPON who almost dwarfs Midgar
This is where we're in agreement. Any of the Weapons are unbelievably powerful, and to take one down single-handedly definitely shows great power. Not power of planet-scale threat, but still great power nonetheless
Originally posted by Terryc250The size of midgar is so big that it can be seen clearly from outer space looking down on the planet
Not unlike some of the major cities in the United States. Maybe our sky scrapers don't have as great a magnitude, but we're certainly visible from the black. So that's...not really all that impressive to me. 😬
Great picture, by the way.
Originally posted by Terryc2501. Do you pride yourself on bullshit?
1) We don't even know what damage it could've caused because the game ends right thereEither way if Omega couldn't take it, Ganon wouldn't take it either.
2) No.. it's not fuel, gas or even really energy, Omega's purpose was to transport the Lifestream, and he was just made up of lifestream. Take Bahamut Sin for example, when he got cut through he just faded and dissapeared, he didn't blow up.
3) No, that wasn't black granite, it was never stated as black granite, the only way it resembles black granite is if you zoom up to black granite with a microscope, if you view black granite from a distance it looks nothing like that.
4) Then show me Zant doing that outside of the Twilight Realm..
We clearly see Cloud and friends were perfectly fine, and they were at ground zero. And Omega was weakened when he was hit by hit, not to mention Ganon>Omega.
2. The Lifestream is energy, and we can clearly see it is full of energy when Vincent goes through it, and it is only when he hits its core as we plainly see that it explodes.
3. This is black granite.
Looks pretty similar to what Link threw ey? No other rock I am aware of looks like what Link threw.
Oh, and the Golden Gauntlets are stated in the description to give the wielder the strength to lift a mountain I believe.
4. ?
They can merge regions with the Twilight realm, which has that effect.
Have you ever played Twilight Princess?
Lol, it's so relaxing to sit back and just let TGE and Voy win this without having to do much. I checked, it pretty much -has- to be black granite. TGE checked, and he agrees,and as far as I can tell TGE thinks I'm bearshit. 😆
But yeah, Ganon has shown the ability to overcome extreme sources of power and simply turn their holders into puppets, including pieces of the triforce itself, Vincent gets puppeted, possessed, whatever you wanna call it.