Originally posted by Burning thought
TKing blood cells is more precise than any "tight" gauntlets, although what Xanatos says holds true, if he clenches his hands and uses his strength to keep the gauntlets on then Kain cannot TK 1000+ tons, but I doubt Link can hold a sword or weapon with his hands in such a manner that makes it difficult for Kain to slip them off, not to mention, if all they are is tight on his arms, and not actually fastened, then Link is going to try massively hard if its even possible, to keep those gauntlets on while fighting.Meh whom?
BT, that's just silly to assume that Link doesn't have the gauntlets fastened. In any case, how accurate is Kain's TK? Is he nimble enough with it that he could unfasten the gauntlets and pull them off before Link could realize what was going on? Personally, I don't think that would be the case. I think, at best, Kain would get the gauntlets unfastened, then Link would realize what's going on and tighten his grip, which you have already admitted would be unbreakable by Kain's TK.
You saw what he did with Moebius' staff, one gesture, less than a second and it was across the room....all Kain needs to do is get them off his hands and its not silly to assume their not fastened, tbh not every pair of gauntlets have the ability to be fastened, some are just held on through tightness to the arms, not actual bonds much like gloves. But obviously Kain could not break Links grip, he would have to lift thousand odd tonnes. Although tbh you have to be careful when taking those weights in hand. For example your feat for his 1k ton strength is of him lifting up a rock, did he use both his hands and a lot of his strength? if not all? For example if Kain wanted to, he could attempt to weaken Links grip by manipualting each finger or do what he did to Moebius and send a painful jolt through Link which would likely make him lose his concetration even if he didnt lose his grip straight away.
One issue with this is that it's speculation whether the sword would recognise Kain as evil, and whether simply trying to kill it's master is enough to set off it's magical alarms, because Nintendo never lays things out like this in black and white for the fans, lol. But assuming it does, it pretty much exempts Link from beign touched by TK and the like. another issue is the strength of the TK, what is mobius states strength and reflex time? Many characters can over power a normal human with TK, Link is far above that, so even if the TK applies I'm not sure it would even noticably hinder Link, who even while being TKed could probably execute any action he wished, if that is the limit of Kain's TK.
It appears one of TGE and I's main divisions is on the properties of the sword and why Ganon loses, I agree it's plot, but the plot uses the sword to cover it's ass, as explained in my earlier post.
Also, no one other than Link may wield the master sword. /sidenote.
The only limit of TK is the weight it is trying to stop moving, Links strength is impressive only with his gauntlet covered hand strength from what ive seen, so assuming Link is as tall as moebius, he would be equelly stopped by TK.
But Tk is just one of Kains many powers, Kain can use the repel shield to make him immune to damage for 10+ seconds (possibly indefinaltey, it can be cast more than once) and reflect spells.
Blood shower and Kains various time powers are also abilites kain could use to wipe out Link, a simple time reaver distortion or even an incpaciation bolt would be a powerful move. Ime not sure Link can do anything to stop blood shower.
Also all Balance guardians such as Kain have regulation over magic, that means he would stop Link from using any.
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Link can lift and toss a Goron (who's body weights in general as a race are made up of pure muscle mass and the fact they're combined with some sort or rock, hence they sink in water) with Armor, as well as drag and pull a full on Gigantic Twilight steroid Goron along the ground. Gorons roll rapidly at speeds up to 60-70 MPH and Link is able to catch and stop them from moving any further. And he matchs head to head and even over power in feats of pure strength against Ganondorf. A much larger and obviously more physically stronger being then himself. Link isn't only limited to his strength via the Golden Gauntlets, Braclet etc. items. He actually is already physically strong.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtHe does not TK blood cells though.
TKing blood cells is more precise than any "tight" gauntlets, although what Xanatos says holds true, if he clenches his hands and uses his strength to keep the gauntlets on then Kain cannot TK 1000+ tons, but I doubt Link can hold a sword or weapon with his hands in such a manner that makes it difficult for Kain to slip them off, not to mention, if all they are is tight on his arms, and not actually fastened, then Link is going to try massively hard if its even possible, to keep those gauntlets on while fighting.Meh whom?
And the gauntlets are fastened, and to take them off would be overpowering Link, which is not happening.
And Link using his class 100 strength to grip his sword and shield will not allow him to take it.
Ganondorf.
Originally posted by Burning thought
First Kain does not feed on souls, he feeds no blood and he has proven not to require blood, after his heart is ripped out remember? infact he doesnt require any physical sustinance. Blood simply makes him more powerful by giving him the powers of those he drinks from.
I heard they needed to feed on souls to live.
Well ill concede on strength claims, Kain will not use TK to take things Link can hold. Hell either use TK to send Link into cardiac (spelling?) arrest and he will bleed to death/die of a heart condition.
or kill him with a variety of other powers from time, to blood, to mind.
Originally posted by Gumachi
I heard they needed to feed on souls to live.
hm no, thats Raziel, the soul reaver.....Vampires drink blood...
when I RP'ed my character had molecularkinesis. Which is something I totally made up.
Originally posted by Burning thought
The only limit of TK is the weight it is trying to stop moving
But Telekinesis doesn't translate into being able to manipulate molecules or oxygen in the blood stream, let alone blood cells unless there is something Kain can do while those systems are circulating in a persons organs. So, unless Kain could physically, with out ripping through Link's chest, get to his heart and tamper with it, I don't see how he could give him a heart attack.
The Ocarina of Time can be used to Slow down or Double the speed of time around Link. The Song of Time itself can be used to go back in time to (x) amount of span. Besides, is the power Kain has over time a Buff on himself or does it effect those around him? Because Link also has a Reflect spell to immune him from both physical and magical alike.
The Last Great Fairy casts a permanent buff over Link's life and it reduces all damage to half. Link also can cast a Shield spell to reduce damage by half and can even then cast Nayru's love over himself. Stacking and thus greatly reducing any damage he would take by 1.5 the attacks original power.
So any of those things you stated before about "easily" being able to take out Link, I highly doubt.
Also what about transfiguration hex spells. Where the actual genetic and chemical structure of the target is manipulated and turned into what ever it may be. I know that other magical properties that would other wise damage a being or slow them down by manipulation of the Law of physics, time, can be nullified by magical auras and spells but rarely does anyone have counter abilities against hexes. Unlike Link who's Master Sword cures him of being hexed into a Wolf.
Link casts Spell.
Kain is now a Bot
He is only capable of doing what a Bot can do.
Explain how you could escape this? Because frankly you haven't and he would simply be squished into a nothing left but jelly based residue.
for example.
Originally posted by VoyeurTelekinesis on the other had we already stated what it can do, bring a physical manifestation from mental thought. So Kain on his own would have to physically be able to cause Link to go into cardiac arrest. You'll notice when people are choked by Telekinesis they grab their neck in attempt to release from it. That is because it is as if the person was actually choking them, they're just doing it with their mind.
But Telekinesis doesn't translate into being able to manipulate molecules or oxygen in the blood stream, let alone blood cells unless there is something Kain can do while those systems are circulating in a persons organs. So, unless Kain could physically, with out ripping through Link's chest, get to his heart and tamper with it, I don't see how he could give him a heart attack.
The Ocarina of Time can be used to Slow down or Double the speed of time around Link. The Song of Time itself can be used to go back in time to (x) amount of span. Besides, is the power Kain has over time a Buff on himself or does it effect those around him? Because Link also has a Reflect spell to immune him from both physical and magical alike.
The Last Great Fairy casts a permanent buff over Link's life and it reduces all damage to half. Link also can cast a Shield spell to reduce damage by half and can even then cast Nayru's love over himself. Stacking and thus greatly reducing any damage he would take by 1.5 the attacks original power.
So any of those things you stated before about "easily" being able to take out Link, I highly doubt.
Also what about transfiguration hex spells. Where the actual genetic and chemical structure of the target is manipulated and turned into what ever it may be. I know that other magical properties that would other wise damage a being or slow them down by manipulation of the Law of physics, time, etc. but rarely does anyone have counter abilities against hexes. Unlike Link who's Master Sword cures him of being hexed into a Wolf.
Link casts Spell.
Kain is now a Bot
He is only capable of doing what a Bot can do.
for example.
TK is using the mind to cause physical effect, lifting things etc, Kain can manipulate blood cells using this effect, he would simply make the blood cells travel to the heart and cause cardiac arrest, blood problems or simply splatter link through blood loss, its like a weaker form of blood shower.
But that would assume Link is going to be able to play this tune on his Orcania before Kain destroys him? And kains power has two forms, the reaver spell version is an area around him which slows time to a crawl, his other freezes the opponent solid in time.
Damage reduced by half is a gameplay effect,
Thats a spell, it would be reflected back at link by repel....not to mention how fast is the spell cast? what is its range? etc etc, its unlikely that he can do it while having blood pouring out of him as well through Kains Blood shower or TK.
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Except Link won't be casting anything because Kain is the Guardian of Balance and can apparently regulate Link's spells. On the other hand, the whole thing is kinda dubious because the last Guardian got pwned by a creepy old man, and Kain doesn't have any feats regulating anything... or does he?
The last Guardian was Ariel who was stabbed in the back i belive by mortanius, the guardian of Death, although her powers over regulating magic would have been useless anyway since he used a knife to kill her if memory serves me.
No he has no feats of such an act.
Voyeur, that's a very good observation about Telekinesis. I never even thought of it that way, but now that you said it, it makes sense.
BT, do you reckon all that fancy stuff would work on Link? I mean, he's already ridiculously durable, add the Master Sword, and you get a being that not even Ganon can **** with.