Kain Vs Link

Started by k1Lla4419 pages

Originally posted by Burning thought
Although that could just as well be PIS, if Ganon does indeed have TK that can grab items and objects then it could simply be through gameplay and plot stupidity that he doesnt just disarm Link and pummel him into the ground, ofcourse if theres an actual canon explanation for Link not being able to have his items taken then I would concede that but so far it seems to me a lot of Links power comes from his items and if Kain just steals them off of him as he tries to use them with a gesture hes going to be at a disadvantage.

your right, unless there is a real reason that you cant just automatically use tk on link... then the match is over. real fast.

But it could it be that Ganon, having all these uber powers, fights Link with nothing but his sword just like that? It's either something protecting Link(like the Master Sword), or it's one of the biggest raging PIS moments in gaming history.

The latter is the most likely because PIS is very common, simply saying "well something is protecting him against all of Ganons other powers" is simply going too far, without evidence for the excistence of such a protection especially in a debate its worthless, it has to be PIS. In a discussion however, maybe something is protecting him, we just dont know.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
But it could it be that Ganon, having all these uber powers, fights Link with nothing but his sword just like that? It's either something protecting Link(like the Master Sword), or it's one of the biggest raging PIS moments in gaming history.

If anything its the latter, your blowing it up temendously to make it seem like its a big deal. And he uses more than his sword, he floats, he shoots those electicity balls, and he makes platforms disapper iirc.

rofl, we nearly had the same thought.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
But it could it be that Ganon, having all these uber powers, fights Link with nothing but his sword just like that? It's either something protecting Link(like the Master Sword), or it's one of the biggest raging PIS moments in gaming history.
It is one of the biggest. At least most cases of PIS have an explanation.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
If anything its the latter, your blowing it up temendously to make it seem like its a big deal. And he uses more than his sword, he floats, he shoots those electicity balls, and he makes platforms disapper iirc.

YouTube video

I don't know dude, it doesn't look like he's using anything apart from his sword in that fight.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
YouTube video

I don't know dude, it doesn't look like he's using anything apart from his sword in that fight.


That was just one part of that fight in one of the zelda games.
In the rest of that fight he manipulates zelda, and transforms into a crazy ass mad teleporting bull. in Ocarina of time he does all the things i said he did in my other post, and again its still pis. Im telling you, your making it a big deal.

Originally posted by k1Lla441
That was just one part of that fight in one of the zelda games.
In the rest of that fight he manipulates zelda, and transforms into a crazy ass mad teleporting bull. in Ocarina of time he does all the things i said he did in my other post, and again its still pis. Im telling you, your making it a big deal.

Oh. I was just reposting the same video that Voyeur had previously linked. I wouldn't know, I've never really played any of the Zelda games.

Already from what Burning has said earlier about TK being able to manipulate blood cells I'm done with this.

Molecularkinesis as done by Dr.Manhattan is the example.

It's not telekinesis that does it. I won't sit here and talk in circles like Terry and the Omnislash (V5) being physical. So if you want to fight the fact that TK apparently has that ability then Kain is over powered and no one in the entire gaming world will ever be able to defeat him. So, have fun.

But as for Bot transforming it's a pure Spell that Link has, literally called 'Spell'. And it's AOE would be limitless since it affects all enemies in the frame at the time. It's also immediate and quick cast, it's from Legend of Zelda 2. There isn't any fancy long animations for cinematic effect in that game.

Damage reduced by half is also game play mechanics but it doesn't take away from the fact that with the Life buff, Shield spell casted and Nayru's love that Link will not be taking any considerable damage and it lessens the blow from many other attacks.

I'll also state that Things such as Nayru's love, Farore's wind and Din's fire are the condensed versions of those Goddesses power and they're probably classified into 'Divine' And normally in games, white and dark magic can be nullified but divine is in a class of it's on and can not be tampered by normal magical means.

side notes: (for others)
Kain's Powers:
All vampires in Nosgoth have their own unique Dark Gift; a supernatural power. Kain's Dark Gift was the ability to use surrounding mist to assume a mist form, which allowed him to be virtually invisible and intangible. He also had a fury ability where he could use a single charged attack against an enemy. While he acquired a number of abilities as a young vampire in Blood Omen, defeat at the hands of the Sarafan Lord in Blood Omen 2, which took 2 centuries to recover thanks to care from the Cabal, made him lose most of his previous powers. Some speculate this loss of power was a result of the Hylden weapon used against him, as the Glyph technology was precisely designed to be used against vampires.

In Blood Omen 2 when he woke from his slumber he retained his mist and fury abilities. Like all vampires Kain could attain weaker variations of other vampires Dark Gifts by drinking their blood. By killing Faustus he gained the power to jump great distances and to inhuman heights. By killing Marcus he acquired the ability to charm the weak willed and bend their minds to his will. By killing Sebastian he acquired super-speed and often used this ability to perform high speed combos on his enemies. By drinking the blood of the Hylden Seer, his natural telekinesis was heightened. By killing Magnus, he gained the ability to immolate matter with pyrokinesis.

The many centuries after Blood Omen 2 had given Kain plenty of time to evolve his powers. In Soul Reaver 1 he had demonstrated the ability to teleport. In Soul Reaver 2, in the opening we see a display of massive strength far beyond Raziel, as well as Kain showing off an ability to generate lightning in his palms. In Defiance we see his telekinetic powers having evolved beyond simply knocking opponents as now he could lift them and cast them away. His mist ability had evolved where now he no longer needed mist to assume the mist form. He also demonstrated an ability to transform into a flock of bats and travel great distances.

I don't see control blood. If you actually literally mean, Kain has the power over blood also, specifically, then that's really over powered except against beings who don't need blood to live. But TK can't do that.

YOU'RE ALSO all wrong and haven't played the games very thoroughly obviously and for the other debators like Paste and stuff, to aid them I will get you actully the exact quotes of what the Master Sword is capable of and how it protects Link. It indeed is the very item that protects him from Ganon's abilities, no simple PIS.

I loled that no one in gaming can beat Kain because he can TK blood.

It can if its advanced, the advance of telekinetic force can go two ways, into the realms of the small and minute (cells-->microbes etc) and into the large and enormous (castles, mountains, cities) Kains goes into the realm of the minute, as can be seen in this video he Tks blood:

YouTube video

He does it again and again, Tking blood from his foes, to his mouth, now in this case that would probably be bad enough but hed prob kill Link faster if he sent the blood not to his mouth, but to Links heart or send it all to another vital organ.

It has to be Telekineisis because TK is the only power Kain has that is capable of doing that kind of thing, other than blood shower which is a specific spell, here are Kains spells:

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/spells.php

The power of Magnus was also very strong, the immolate spell:

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo2/gifts.php

Which when used by Magnus blasted large stone statues with a thought into dust.

YouTube video

both videos in this post require no timing, it happens from the beginning, until the end.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
I loled that no one in gaming can beat Kain because he can TK blood.

TK only blood? If that's what he can do
MOLECULARKINESIS, not ****ing telekinesis, then yeah, he is.

Because he could manipulate oxygen instantly around a person in a matter of seconds to have them choking. He could cause their brain to rupture and explode at a mere fraction of the thought. He could do it to their heart, with their blood to anything. When you go beyond telekinesis to state that it is actually molecularkinesis, then it is VERY over powered and is nothing to "lol" at.

My favorite character of all time in fact, Tetsuo Shima, from the 6 book graphic novel series, each one being 200-300+ in pages, has psychokinesis. He actually is a sponge too. And he has molecularkinesis so I know all about this bs. If some one in the gaming world has it, then ...game...honestly...

its not a lower level of telekinesis though. It's Molecularkinesis.
Being able to use "TK" to transfer your body isn't called, body transfer through tk, it's called teleportation. And so on with specifics of manipulation of anything.

Such as controling fire is pyrokinesis like that Magnus spell which Link would be able to withstand better with the Goron/Red/Fire tunic.

It's cool he has that over blood specifically it seems only though to be fair, so it really isn't either Telekinesis or Molecularkinesis, it's some thing on another scale of specific blood manipulation. Which is still very strong.

If he has that ability though, game. Screampaste and others can try and beg to differ with you over that. I can even help them with how the Triforce of Courage (not the whole triforce) and the Master Sword makes Link immune to evils of magic, spells, tk, etc.

I dont know about him only being able to do it with blood, that would not be logical, anything similiar to blood cells in size would be just as able to be Tked by Kain however, although his example in the games is blood. Is oxygen just as small as blood cells? I thot it was diffrent.

Originally posted by Voyeur
TK only blood? If that's what he can do
MOLECULARKINESIS, not ****ing telekinesis, then yeah, he is.

Because he could manipulate oxygen instantly around a person in a matter of seconds to have them choking. He could cause their brain to rupture and explode at a mere fraction of the thought. He could do it to their heart, with their blood to anything. When you go beyond telekinesis to state that it is actually molecularkinesis, then it is VERY over powered and is nothing to "lol" at.

My favorite character of all time in fact, Tetsuo Shima, from the 6 book graphic novel series, each one being 200-300+ in pages, has psychokinesis. He actually is a sponge too. And he has molecularkinesis so I know all about this bs. If some one in the gaming world has it, then ...game...honestly...

Dude, it is called matter manipulation, and your use of it is wrong.

That is just extremely precise Telekinesis.

And if you think that is enough to be the top of gaming, you have not played alot of videogames.

The explanation of the PIS pretty much IS the mastersword, Nintendo has all but said it directly, really. -.o;

All these events of Ganon displaying reality bending, cosmic power, and only using it against Link when he doesn't have the master sword? Various phrases and statements hinting at it's protective power? The mastersword is the largest source of PIS ever.

How far exactly can he bloodshower someone?

What do you mean by that? how far can he bloodshower them?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The explanation of the PIS pretty much IS the mastersword, Nintendo has all but said it directly, really. -.o;
Prove. It.

How close does he has to be[or how close they have to be]to draw blood from them? And can he it only be done to humans? And can he escape it by teleporting?