Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Classic Thor is superior to Classic Norrin based on their encounters. If I recall right, Norrin has even admitted to Thor being his superior in the past.
Actually the only time surfer "admitted" that he was below classic thor was when he was trapped on earth and weakened. Heck even in that encounter surfer seemed to be getting the upper hand. The only other fight was the Blood and thunder arc where thor was clearly amped.
Now im not going to argue either way on this as to who is more powerful (id rather not argue against thor or surfer). But superiority cant be determined from their encounters which were influenced by different circumstances.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Actually the only time surfer "admitted" that he was below classic thor was when he was trapped on earth and weakened. Heck even in that encounter surfer seemed to be getting the upper hand. The only other fight was the Blood and thunder arc where thor was clearly amped.Now im not going to argue either way on this as to who is more powerful (id rather not argue against thor or surfer). But superiority cant be determined from their encounters which were influenced by different circumstances.
Thor wasn't amped with the Power Gem the first two times he kicked the crap out of Silver Surfer and it wasn't Warrior Madness during Blood and Thunder. He beat him twice before he had the Power Gem and Silver Surfer had help from Adam Warlock etc.
In the end Silver Surfer clearly said that he was not holding back anymore, and they went at it for a page and then Thor said enough, and knocked him out.
During their first fight, neither had the upper hand, and Loki added his own significant power to Silver Surfer and Thor was holding back.
Silver Surfer clearly said that Thor had more power (Or was it strength) than he could ever know.
That's an admittance of inferiority in my opinion.
I believe that Classic Thor and Classic Silver Surfer are as close as they come, but I think that internally Thor is superior, but externally Silver Surfer is superior. It balances each other out but I give the win to Thor because in my opinion he has more power on tap. Silver Surfer isn't far behind and can obviously win as these two are significantly close in terms of power. Either could win, and I could see Silver Surfer winning, but in my opinion Thor would come out on top but he would feel it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor wasn't amped with the Power Gem the first two times he kicked the crap out of Silver Surfer and it wasn't Warrior Madness during Blood and Thunder. He beat him twice before he had the Power Gem and Silver Surfer had help from Adam Warlock etc.It wasn't warrior madness it's was some sort of madness either it was warrior or not
this was confirm by Odin when he enter his mind that this thor was different. Also even before The power gem Thor he was operating at ahigher than normal level.
In the end Silver Surfer clearly said that he was not holding back anymore, and they went at it for a page and then Thor said enough, and knocked him out.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor wasn't amped with the Power Gem the first two times he kicked the crap out of Silver Surfer and it wasn't Warrior Madness during Blood and Thunder. He beat him twice before he had the Power Gem and Silver Surfer had help from Adam Warlock etc.
In the end Silver Surfer clearly said that he was not holding back anymore, and they went at it for a page and then Thor said enough, and knocked him out.During their first fight, neither had the upper hand, and Loki added his own significant power to Silver Surfer and Thor was holding back.
Silver Surfer clearly said that Thor had more power (Or was it strength) than he could ever know.
That's an admittance of inferiority in my opinion.
I believe that Classic Thor and Classic Silver Surfer are as close as they come, but I think that internally Thor is superior, but externally Silver Surfer is superior. It balances each other out but I give the win to Thor because in my opinion he has more power on tap. Silver Surfer isn't far behind and can obviously win as these two are significantly close in terms of power. Either could win, and I could see Silver Surfer winning, but in my opinion Thor would come out on top but he would feel it.
In Blood and thunder thor was clearly more powerful than usual. And i mean clearly. I even remeber Beta ray bill saying that "he drew strength from the madness". so regardless of whether it was actual warrior madness or not. He was more powerful than usual and certainly could not have replicated the same thing regularly.
During the first fight surfer actually got more hits in and downed thor. The only thing that made thor seem superior was when surfer said he had seen thors hammers magic and it was superior to his own cosmic force. However, considering that the surfer that said that was the depowered earth version, who also at that period was written at his weakest level i wouldnt take it as the empirical proof that classic thor>>>surfer. Classic surfer was written far stronger as the years went on.
I also believe they are very close powerwise and hence it would be a tossup.
Originally posted by kgkg
It wasn't warrior madness it's was some sort of madness either it was warrior or not
It wasn't warrior madness. He just lost it because of Odin and all the multiple Thor clones etc. He was loony but not amped in power.
Originally posted by kgkg
this was confirm by Odin when he enter his mind that this thor was different. Also even before The power gem Thor he was operating at ahigher than normal level.
He wasn't amped as it wasn't actual Warrior Madness. True he would be fighting rougher etc. than he normally would but it never said that his power was amped and it shouldn't be sad as it wasn't warrior madness.
Of course his mind was different.
Originally posted by kgkg
And later he said that he was still holding back - This was until Thor obtained the Power Gem thats when he says they will go all out
When did he say that?
I must have missed it and he is contradicting himself.
The first time they fought during that arc, in the end he said he wasn't holding back and Thor still defeated him.
The second time they fight, he and Adam Warlock were both defeated.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Actually the only time surfer "admitted" that he was below classic thor was when he was trapped on earth and weakened. Heck even in that encounter surfer seemed to be getting the upper hand. The only other fight was the Blood and thunder arc where thor was clearly amped. .
- That was retconned
- Surfer "won" the fight
- Loki added his own power to the Surfer's that fight
Originally posted by Naija boy
In Blood and thunder thor was clearly more powerful than usual. And i mean clearly. I even remeber Beta ray bill saying that "he drew strength from the madness". so regardless of whether it was actual warrior madness or not. He was more powerful than usual and certainly could not have replicated the same thing regularly.
He wasn't amped during that arc. He was mental, and I do believe Beta Ray Bill said that, but people in berserk rages draw strength as well. Thor could accomplish what he did in Blood and Thunder, he just isn't one to unleash that type of power and not hold back on his own friends.
How was he amped?
He did not receive any upgrades. He simply went crazy.
Was he tapping into his potential etc.?
That could be said. Either way, it never showed him being amped. It wasn't warrior madness, it was just him going screw loose.
If Silver Surfer lost his mind, and went on a rampage, what he did would be within his power, but not within his character as he does not randomly commit acts of violence. Everything Thor did, he could do, it was within his power but not within his character.
Originally posted by Naija boy
During the first fight surfer actually got more hits in and downed thor. The only thing that made thor seem superior was when surfer said he had seen thors hammers magic and it was superior to his own cosmic force. However, considering that the surfer that said that was the depowered earth version, who also at that period was written at his weakest level i wouldnt take it as the empirical proof that classic thor>>>surfer. Classic surfer was written far stronger as the years went on.
During that fight Silver Surfer himself said that Thor was holding back and that Thor knew from the beginning that he was being deceived, and he was holding back his strength.That barrier that was able to keep Mjolnir from Thor was shattered with one blow by Thor. Thor downed him but it isn't like he did anything serious or permanent. Thor seemed unharmed after he got back up.
Originally posted by Naija boy
I also believe they are very close powerwise and hence it would be a tossup.
Fair enough.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Was he tapping into his potential etc.?That could be said. Either way, it never showed him being amped. It wasn't warrior madness, it was just him going screw loose.
Uh, when BRB and Sif go to confront him, they admit he's caught Warrior's Madness. That's before SS fights him the first time. Nearly the entire Blood and Thunder arc, Thor's in Warrior's Madness mode.
Originally posted by Enyalus
Uh, when BRB and Sif go to confront him, they admit he's caught Warrior's Madness. That's before SS fights him the first time. Nearly the entire Blood and Thunder arc, Thor's in Warrior's Madness mode.
They "thought" it was Warrior Madness. It wasn't.
I have to go now. I'll be back on, later.
