Revisiting this, Maxima should win.
She's just a way better telepath with more quantifiable tp feats. She destroyed Braniac, blasted Orion unconscious, and she went so far as to take on Brainwave II (the guy who defeated the wisdom of Solomon via tp).
Factoring in transmutation is less necessary because they have similar powers. Sersi is better here, but I see this ending up in an astral battle more often than not.
Originally posted by leonidas
sersi would take her. strong enough to prevent a tp assault from winning it, and a far better transmuter. i see no way max could resist being transmuted when someone like thor stood zero chance.
Agreed. Sersi can also psionically amp her strength enough to KO the likes of Hercules with one punch.
Originally posted by leonidas
sersi would take her. strong enough to prevent a tp assault from winning it, and a far better transmuter. i see no way max could resist being transmuted when someone like thor stood zero chance.
Maxima could just shield herself like Sue did and be immune to any transmutation effects.
I'd give this to Maxima 7/10.
Originally posted by leonidas
strong enough to prevent a tp assault from winning it
There is absolutely zero evidence to support this. The only possible thing you could bring up is Bloodties Exodus and you can't even debate it because the fight was not only ambiguous as to what powers each were using, Sersi didn't even pull off a definitive win. With all of this and the common knowledge rule on KMC in mind, Maxima would have to be seriously plagued with PIS to not directly engage in tp every time.
Originally posted by The Dark Cloud
Agreed. Sersi can also psionically amp her strength enough to KO the likes of Hercules with one punch.
Awesome feat, but Maxima is probably stronger still. She's personally gone toe to toe with Doomsday and was inflicting noticeable damage via physical strikes while tanking hits in return. If this were to go physical - which it won't - then Sersi would be defeated.
Originally posted by zopzop
Maxima could just shield herself like Sue did and be immune to any transmutation effects.I'd give this to Maxima 7/10.
Invalid point. For one, that was a horribly written story. Secondly, Sue's force-fields are renowned for not having any material/atomic structure that can be manipulated. They also tend to block out ALL external forces and create rifts between Sue and her opponent, locking out their ability to channel energies through them. This trait has saved her many times. Maxima's powers are psionic and not at all comparable.
Originally posted by leonidas
no real way to know if her shields would be as effective. and sersi could just shield herself as well from max's magneto-esque powers. once the shields are down big advantage to seris who can end it immediately.
They probably wouldn't be, but telepathy is the real issue here. Magneto powers? What? Her powers aren't really similar to his at all, save for having a force-field and energy blasts... which plenty of characters have.
Originally posted by HandOfFate
IIRC, she never KO Herc, just throw him....unless your talking about another fight.
The tp threw him in one fight IIRC and also got pissed and backhanded him into unconsiousness in another. Good feats, but I think harming Doomsday is much more impressive.
Originally posted by Konton
There is absolutely zero evidence to support this. The only possible thing you could bring up is Bloodties Exodus and you can't even debate it because the fight was not only ambiguous as to what powers each were using, Sersi didn't even pull off a definitive win. With all of this and the common knowledge rule on KMC in mind, Maxima would have to be seriously plagued with PIS to not directly engage in tp every time.
well, you're wrong on a couple counts, but you're right in that she could try.
first, bloodties exodus is NOT the only evidence i could call on. i could also call on BLACK KNIGHT EXODUS, where they also battled. i have the thing somewhere, and am pretty sure that exodus managed to win in that battle, but i can't recall the exact context, but there was more to it thanhis simply overpowering her via tp. if i get time i'll try and find the book.
anyway, sticking to what you know--what is NOT ambiguous is the fact that were it THAT easy to take her out via tp, exodus would have won that avengers fight immediatley. also, it is clear from the comment regarding the 'psionic' nature of the powers that they are matching psionic abilities. could be just tk, but ..... that doesn't make sense to me. to think they relied on only one or the other in that fight makes both seem rather dim-witted. the fight ended basically because they didn't want to destroy the city, but not before sersi mentions she could fight forever. even allowing for hyperbole, she could outlast max imo.
what is also unambiguous is the fact that she has scanned the minds of the entire planet effortlessly on another occasion. planet-wide scanning feats are not something your average tp can accomplish. between those 2 facts (and coupled with other, less impressive but not insignificant feats), i'd say that she could more than handle her own against max in the area of tp. there's also her tk shields. no way to know for sure if they would block max's tp. not that it matters, really, because imo tp wouldn't win max the battle here. if it seemed she did have an edge, sersi could teleport away, turn the air to hydrochloric acid, then, while she's hurt, transmute her. i see sersi as having the advantage in this fight. max has zero defense against sersi's greatest power, and she CAN defend max's biggest weapon.
Awesome feat, but Maxima is probably stronger still. She's personally gone toe to toe with Doomsday and was inflicting noticeable damage via physical strikes while tanking hits in return. If this were to go physical - which it won't - then Sersi would be defeated.
probably is kind of ambiguous, but you're right, it wouldn't get to that. even if it did, THAT wouldn't be an easy win either, though i agree were it STRAIGHT h2h--max wins.
They probably wouldn't be, but telepathy is the real issue here. Magneto powers? What? Her powers aren't really similar to his at all, save for having a force-field and energy blasts... which plenty of characters have.
huh? 😑 she's a ferrokinetic.
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33492/1090469-maxima_vs_redtornado_jla_vol2_75_super.jpg
http://img107.imageshack.us/i/maxmetalcontrol3xl.jpg/
she's ripped ships apart by the seams, wrapped atom in metal (just after the tower scene above). she's been called magneto-lite in the forums for as long as i can recall..... she has displayed VERY limited matter tranmutation skills on a couple other occasions--swapping clothes for instance. but metal is what she is expert in.
still, that won't help her here.
it's a close battle--i like each, but sersi only needs one small opening to finish it, and i think that's the deciding factor. along with her immortality, i think she could wait max out to find that opening.
Originally posted by leonidas
first, bloodties exodus is NOT the only evidence i could call on. i could also call on BLACK KNIGHT EXODUS, where they also battled. i have the thing somewhere, and am pretty sure that exodus managed to win in that battle, but i can't recall the exact context, but there was more to it thanhis simply overpowering her via tp. if i get time i'll try and find the book.
