Originally posted by Konton
Well, Sersi taking Exodus by suprise and still managing to get overpowered isn't exactly all that impressive. It means she can maybe avoid being overpowered by Maxima for maybe a few seconds lol
i'd say a lot longer than that, but what instances of tp are you using to claim that max is so much above sersi?
She's not defenseless, but telepathy is far from her area of expertise.
i wouldn't say far at all..... her tp has held open dimensional rifts, controlled the minds of several deviants in the old eternals mini as well as the other instances i've referenced. when exodus overcame her dane was trying to talk her in letting him go and physically acting against her. he was going to break free anyway but we saw in their later battle that she went toe-to-toe with him without any problems.
I'd argue that the narration was still ambiguous because all of her powers are psionic. Eternals draw their power from the cosmos, but it's still all psionic once filtered through Sersi and applied. Again, I'll say that Exodus isn't quite as powerful as, say, WarWorld amped Braniac - who Maxima engaged on the astral plane.
true, but didn't she have a host of others with her and she really didn't do anything at all against him iirc. it wasn't until the warworld link broke that she lobotomized him.
That alone is more than Sersi has been able to accomplish. Early Avengers material said Sersi could only influence those with a weaker will than hers =p
i'd disagree with the first point there, and say while true, tp isn't the way she'd win this fight. i've been saying she's strong enough to not LOSE that way. that's a big difference.
Scanning the entire planet means she surely has enough oomph to project her conscious far, but keep in mind that glazing over even billions of defenseless minds wouldn't be too hard compared to things telepaths do these days and certainly wouldn't be much use in a fight.
true, but it speaks to the scope and control she has, and again, not sure how many tp's you'd say are capable of such a planet-wide feat, but i'd say VERY few, and those are only the top-most tier.
It would be very unfair for you to assume TK would somehow block telepathy. It just doesn't make sense and hasn't been done to my knowledge. I call burden of proof on you, there.
that's an interesting point. i'd thought i knew of an instance but if i've seen it i don't recall it. but i wonder how max's tp would be effective if she were getting smashed by sersi's tk which would be as fast as the tp max would attack with.
Sersi isn't teleporting away because (aside from not ever really teleporting in combat
she can and has--she just doesn't much like it. i'd wager she'd like getting mindraped less.
and Maxima having her own teleportation powers) she's going to have to deal with a direct telepathic assault.
and max may need to deal with being tk choked or simply transmuted into adamantium.
As far as comic logic goes, telepathy can only be out-speed by speedsters of the highest order. It's just too fast. Maxima has better speed feats than Sersi anyway.
if it comes to quick draw, i don't know that max's tp is faster than sersi transmuting at all. if it is, not by much and i think sersi could fend her off long enough to use tk to disrupt the tp assault then finish her with transmutation.
Maxima, by KMC rules, will engage in telepathy. Sersi had an aneurysm trying to keep down Exodus when she had the drop on him.
maybe, but on-panel, what tp feats does max have to match exodus?
With perhaps an even greater telepath than Exodus against Sersi,
not sure about that without some proof.
I really don't see her letting down her tp defenses to try some matter manip. That would get her brain crushed.
she seemed to be wielding both tp and tk (or at least shielding against exodus simply overwhemling her with tp) in their avengers battle. i see it going something like that.
As far as direct tk goes, Maxima routinely had better feats; although, Sersi certainly had the best high end one. Sersi redirected and expelled a universe destroying blast thing. Problem is that she never did anything remotely resembling that before or after it happened. Maxima was manipulating the tectonic plates of a planet larger than earth (while relatively depowered), blasted Superman down for the count, etc. I'd say Sersi at her absolute opus would win, but Maxima should take a majority in a tk tug of war based on consistency in power levels.
perhaps. i would actually give sersi the tk edge like i'd give max the tp edge, but i don't think it would come to either of those.
She's telekinetic. Manipulating metal is just her using tk on metal...
disagree there. she seems to have some sort of definite affinity for metal for some reason. too many instances where that has been shown specifically. don't understand it myself, but it seems to hold true.
She's more powerful than Mags by far anyway. He may have more minute control over the EM spectrum, but she definitely packs more punch.
perhaps, but that's for another thread.... 🙂
my position is pretty simple--in all ways i think they are very close. sersi wins imo because she has the one-shot ko. all she needs is a tiniest opening and max is finished via transmutation. i don't think max has anything that can permanently disable sersi, or keep her from inevitablely getting that small opening.
